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Why was Loki able to extract Valkyrie’s memory?

ikoliholic:

philosopherking1887:

This is not something we’ve seen him do before. Not that he would have had any occasion to in previous movies, but this is kind of in a different category from other things he does with magic: mostly illusions, shapeshifting, and moving things around.

This is some wild-ass, blatantly self-interested speculation, but… what if the power to draw out other people’s memories is a relatively new ability that he gained from his interaction with the Mind Stone? Scarlet Witch got her powers from experimentation with the Mind Stone, and one of the things we’ve seen her do is get into people’s heads and make them experience things based on their worst fears and most painful memories.

This at least suggests that forcing people to re-experience memories is one of the things that the Mind Stone can do, in addition to co-opting their will to make them serve the aims of the wielder. I think everyone I know has dismissed the idea that Thanos was controlling Loki the way Loki controlled Barton and Selvig; that’s probably not something you can do to a magically powerful being like Loki. BUT Scarlet Witch was able to do the fear-exploiting thing with Thor, and Loki simultaneously experienced and forced the Valkyrie to re-experience her worst memory – that is something you can do to more powerful beings.

So… this provides some circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory I explore in my fic The Abyss Gazes Also about what happened between Thanos and Loki: that Thanos exploited Loki’s own fears, resentments, and insecurities and forced him to re-experience his most traumatic memories involving his family (especially Thor and Odin) to manipulate him into invading Earth on Thanos’s behalf and fighting against his adoptive family.

Tagging people who read my fic and might care: @angrymadsygin, @darklittlestories, @fuckyeahrichardiii, @iamhisgloriouspurpose, @ikoliholic, @illwynd, @lunariagold, @nursejoh53, @raven-brings-light, @writernotwaiting

@philosopherking1887 here for this theory… i thought something along these lines while watching the film:

“Well, THAT’S new. Has he been fuckin round with gemstones? Is this an easy device to do CHARACTER FLASHBACK + VERIFICATION? or is Loki just growing more into his skills in his spare time?”

answer? I personally think it’s probably all three 😀

Yeah… I’ve had some people reblogging saying they think Loki has always been able to do this, and I’m like… based on what? Probably they just want him always to have been as powerful as possible, but I’m big on consistency and constraints.

writernotwaiting:

happilyshanghaied:

Thor is the next feminist film you’ve been waiting to see since Wonderwoman (spoilers!)

* Hela is a badass female villain who is so powerful and unbeatable they have to create a super-powered team to combat ONLY her

* Thor admits Hela is the rightful heir to the Asgardian throne (over him)…and the only reason he fights her for it is because but she’s a warmongering asshole

* Valkyrie drinks like a sailor, is drunk half the time (and not in a cute, giggly, girly way – the chick is hammered) and gives zero fucks about your sob story – plus, instead of getting the usual tragic victim backstory reserved for women, she has the guilt-ridden backstory and character arc usually reserved for male anti-hero characters

* The movie is female-gazey af – Valkyrie is fully covered in utilitarian armor the whole film, but Hulk has a naked ass shot and Thor walks around like a Chippendale dancer half the time…and the camera is super into it

* The most elite warriors in Asgard were a group of women on flying horses

* Thor admitted he wanted to join the Valkyries as a boy – when he learned they were all women it didn’t make him want to join less, he was just bummed out bc he knew they wouldn’t take him

* Nobody ever calls Hela a ‘bitch’, and nobody underestimates her scary ass just bc she’s a woman – she might be the most frightening villain Marvel has had outside of Thanos

* Though there are definitely stirrings of romantic interest between Valkyrie and Thor that may be explored in future films, she’s not the *love interest* character – Thor wants her around bc she can fight

THOR WANTED TO BE A VALKYRIE WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE BOY!!!!!

I loved that.

Why was Loki able to extract Valkyrie’s memory?

catwinchester:

maneth985:

darklittlestories:

philosopherking1887:

This is not something we’ve seen him do before. Not that he would have had any occasion to in previous movies, but this is kind of in a different category from other things he does with magic: mostly illusions, shapeshifting, and moving things around.

This is some wild-ass, blatantly self-interested speculation, but… what if the power to draw out other people’s memories is a relatively new ability that he gained from his interaction with the Mind Stone? Scarlet Witch got her powers from experimentation with the Mind Stone, and one of the things we’ve seen her do is get into people’s heads and make them experience things based on their worst fears and most painful memories.

This at least suggests that forcing people to re-experience memories is one of the things that the Mind Stone can do, in addition to co-opting their will to make them serve the aims of the wielder. I think everyone I know has dismissed the idea that Thanos was controlling Loki the way Loki controlled Barton and Selvig; that’s probably not something you can do to a magically powerful being like Loki. BUT Scarlet Witch was able to do the fear-exploiting thing with Thor, and Loki simultaneously experienced and forced the Valkyrie to re-experience her worst memory – that is something you can do to more powerful beings.

So… this provides some circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory I explore in my fic The Abyss Gazes Also about what happened between Thanos and Loki: that Thanos exploited Loki’s own fears, resentments, and insecurities and forced him to re-experience his most traumatic memories involving his family (especially Thor and Odin) to manipulate him into invading Earth on Thanos’s behalf and fighting against his adoptive family.

Tagging people who read my fic and might care: @angrymadsygin, @darklittlestories, @fuckyeahrichardiii, @iamhisgloriouspurpose, @ikoliholic, @illwynd, @lunariagold, @nursejoh53, @raven-brings-light, @writernotwaiting

I was thinking exactly along these lines and am SO EXCITED that for wherever reason we have new Loki powers to play with!

I think he always had the abilities to tap into someone’s memories, there just wasn’t any place to showcase those abilities yet or maybe he just never bothered to practice them. And I think it isn’t clear if HE could see Valkyrie’s memories, or if he simply triggered her to see them.

If he did that to distract her, why not take her down before she recovers from the flashback? 

Instead, he seemed only a little less dazed than she was at the end which (added to her rage at having to remember) allows her to take him out with one punch.

His stricken facial expression, as well as his general air of disorientation, did seem to suggest that he had seen it, too.