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Tag: valkyrie
I ship Asgardians with peace and happiness
Also, on a separate note, I know you’re not a fan of Ragnarok, but do these feelings extend towards Valkyrie? I was wondering where the heck she was and if you had any theories
Answering your previous question(s) will involve digging up some old posts where I’ve addressed/ranted about what I think was going on with Loki’s death in Infinity War, so I’ll deal with that tomorrow (I hope). This one’s a little more straightforward.
To set the record straight: disliking Ragnarok on the whole does not mean that I dislike every single thing about it; it’s just that I don’t feel like I need to add a disclaimer specifying what I didn’t hate every time I want to make an argument regarding what I thought was bad. I do like Valkyrie (or Brunnhilde, rather, since that’s her name). The things I like about her are probably the usual things that are cited when people talk about how awesome she was: a woman of color was allowed to inhabit an archetype that’s usually reserved for men; she wasn’t over-sexualized; the possibility of romance with Thor was allowed to remain a mere suggestion. She’s a morally flawed badass, which is great.
However, I do have some issues with the way her story was handled. The film seemed remarkably blasé about the time she spent as a slave-trader, in much the way that it (and Bruce!) was inappropriately blasé about the fact that the Hulk had spent the last 2 years killing gladiator slaves for sport. And also the fact that she nonchalantly pulverized some of her fellow scrappers… I mean, I guess they were about to kill Thor, but that was a lot of casual death that never got put on her moral tab. To reiterate, I like the fact that she’s morally flawed; I like heroes who are morally flawed. But it also needs to be acknowledged. As a Loki fan in the first instance, I’m tired of people insisting at me that I need to acknowledge all the terrible things Loki has done before I’m allowed to like him, while out of the other side of their mouths telling me that I should stop insisting that Thor fans acknowledge his moral failings. There is a clear double standard, in fandom as in the films themselves, between the characters who are designated “heroes” and those who are designated “villains”: once you’ve played the villain role, you can sacrifice yourself to save the universe but still never live down your crimes; but if you’ve been put in the hero role, your crimes are automatically expunged, even if they’re comparable in extent to the so-called villain’s. (Well, except that the Team Cap people are constantly going on about Tony’s crimes… but that’s because they’ve cast him as a villain.)
I’m also not thrilled that Valkyrie has been presented both by Marvel and by the fandom as a “replacement” for Jane Foster – nay, as an upgrade, who’s “more equal” to Thor (per Kevin Feige) and also better in social justice terms because she’s not white (according to Tumblr). That, however, is not a mark against Valkyrie as a character. I just don’t like the way she’s been implicitly or explicitly opposed to Jane, as if you’re only allowed to like one. They have different strengths; Jane’s strength is her intellect, and as a 5′1″ academic who most certainly cannot beat people up, that appeals to me. I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with Thor being attracted to a woman for her intelligence and creativity rather than her warrior’s prowess. I wish the two characters had been allowed to coexist. With Jane and Darcy unceremoniously booted, I’m pretty sure Ragnarok, unlike the previous two Thor films, does not pass the Bechdel test.
As to where Brunnhilde is now… I think IW didn’t address it because the writers didn’t totally know what was going on with Ragnarok and also were lazy/didn’t care. My headcanon is that Thor ordered her to lead the Asgardian civilians who couldn’t fight due to age or disability onto whatever lifeboats/escape pods were on the Ark and then protect them wherever they ended up.
kevin feige saying that valkyrie instead of jane is “a character who was much more [thor’s] equal”
like…okay, I love valkyrie as much as the next girl and I am all about butch warrior women but maybe let’s think about what you’re saying about jane there because it sounds a lot like odin’s “goat at a banquet” comment
Also, isn’t it ironic that this kind viewpoint is exactly what Jane was fighting against in the movies? She was ridiculed for her research, almost laughed at by the other scientists (majority of them being men).
Because obviously a tiny human woman who works with her brain and not brawn is never going to be an equal a mighty Aesir warrior.
*facepalm*
He said what now!? Just when I think they can’t do sth worse…ok, as much as I hate comparisons, especially like this, but the sentence gives me toxic masculinity vibes.
Jane is the highly intelligent woman, who changed Thor from arrogant to humble. She was strong enough to stand the effects of an infinity stone, intelligent enough to find a way to defeat an ancient being who was wielding the said infinity stone. At the same time she was compassionate and brave. She is equal to Thor if not superior. The only aspect they are not equal is the physical strength and their life span.
Valkyrie on the other hand is the woman that Thor inspires to change. She was capturing and selling slaves, living a pointless life until Thor comes and changes everything. They are equal in physical strength and life span.
There was another woman in Thor’s life who was completely Thor’s equal in everything. Lady Sif. Another strong woman who proved that a woman can be the fiercest warrior.
Isn’t it ironic that amongst these three women the one who is considered Thor’s equal by MCU’s president, is the one Thor helps to find herslef again, not the other two who are successful and independent without Thor’s help? Doesn’t it scream toxic masculinity that they prefer a female character beside their male hero who needs the said hero’s help?
It says a lot that Feige has such a narrow conception of what makes a “strong female character.” Apparently only men are allowed to solve problems with intellect rather than brute force and still be considered badass.
Also note that Sif shut Thor down when he tried to claim credit for her success (in the first “Thor” movie).
It would be nice if Marvel could show us more romances where neither partner needs to “save” the other, because both gender variants play into toxic heteronormative tropes.
why did she even bring him
This is the blessed timeline.
this is the only news that matters tbh…..
Torn between being happy Valkyrie survived, and pissed that they’re doing this. Seriously? “I know we didn’t show it to you or mention it whatsoever, but lots of Asgardians survived, including the woc we didn’t bother to put in our movie.” That’s lazy and a cop out.
You know, I kind of figured, since it would be implausible for a ship of that size not to have escape pods – they’re like the lifeboats on the Titanic. But it is annoying that they didn’t even have Thor say “At least the Valkyrie led some of my people to safety” or something like that.
The bad news: this reduces the likelihood that Loki will be brought back in A4. If some of the Asgardians survived – including Brunnhilde, whose presence in future movies has been teased – it becomes less imperative to turn back the clock as far as the attack on the Ark… and makes that “No resurrections this time” line seem more like a declaration from the creators themselves rather than merely from Thanos.
Yes. That’s exactly what it was. A declaration from the creators.
And it felt nasty to me, in a way not dissimilar to Taika Waititi’s curt “No.” to the woman petitioning for a solo Loki movie. It felt like they were saying to Loki’s (mostly female) fans, “You’ve been spoiled in the past, but you can’t keep expecting to see your fave come back every time. He and you have worn out your welcome here; we have other priorities.”
this is the only news that matters tbh…..
Torn between being happy Valkyrie survived, and pissed that they’re doing this. Seriously? “I know we didn’t show it to you or mention it whatsoever, but lots of Asgardians survived, including the woc we didn’t bother to put in our movie.” That’s lazy and a cop out.
You know, I kind of figured, since it would be implausible for a ship of that size not to have escape pods – they’re like the lifeboats on the Titanic. But it is annoying that they didn’t even have Thor say “At least the Valkyrie led some of my people to safety” or something like that.
The bad news: this reduces the likelihood that Loki will be brought back in A4. If some of the Asgardians survived – including Brunnhilde, whose presence in future movies has been teased – it becomes less imperative to turn back the clock as far as the attack on the Ark… and makes that “No resurrections this time” line seem more like a declaration from the creators themselves rather than merely from Thanos.











