iamhisgloriouspurpose:

philosopherking1887:

thorandlokibrothersforeternity:

My favorite thing about this scene, which I didn’t really notice at first, was that Thor actually pushes Loki away from the on-coming hammer. The best thing about it is that he does it while he’s angry (because he realized that Loki manipulated him and probably did something to Odin) yet he still pushed him away because he never wanted to risk his brother getting hurt. It’s so subtle yet so sweet. ❤

Oh interesting, I missed that… I thought Thor just let go and Loki jumped away from the hammer. This is a lot nicer.

Also, if Loki’s skull is split open by Mjolnir, it’s going to be difficult for Thor to question him and find out where Odin is. It may be more practical than sentimental.

Fair point. I mean, I’d like to think there’s more to it than that…

thorandlokibrothersforeternity:

My favorite thing about this scene, which I didn’t really notice at first, was that Thor actually pushes Loki away from the on-coming hammer. The best thing about it is that he does it while he’s angry (because he realized that Loki manipulated him and probably did something to Odin) yet he still pushed him away because he never wanted to risk his brother getting hurt. It’s so subtle yet so sweet. ❤

Oh interesting, I missed that… I thought Thor just let go and Loki jumped away from the hammer. This is a lot nicer.

Everyone is upset that we didn’t get a Thorki hug, but what about The Neck Thing™? That’s way more intimate to me than a hug because it’s a personal thing between them that Thor does to express his love for Loki without speaking. Why didn’t we get that? I would have taken that over a hug any day. :( Or if not that, why not have Thor mention that Loki finally came home, or Loki saying it? That was all Thor asked him to do in The Avengers.

philosopherking1887:

To be honest, I kind of suspect that The Neck Thing™ was one of the things Chris Hemsworth was tired of. It does seem oddly antiquated, characteristic of an ancient warrior culture (though lord knows why it strikes me that way, since I’ve never been in an ancient warrior culture), and they were going for a more modern Thor this time (which sometimes annoyed me). It also reflects a particular kind of dynamic between Thor and Loki: a protective, almost possessive or controlling big-brotherly affection, whereas in Ragnarok Thor was taking a more hands-off approach, both literally and metaphorically. Many of us here in Thorki-land like the possessive dynamic and the ancient-warrior-culture vibe, so we’re into The Neck Thing, but other viewers might find it weird.

@darklittlestories, you missed my Discourse on The Neck Thing™.

pyrebomb:

claricechiarasorcha:

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I had a similar thought. It always seemed very deliberate that that is the only time in Avengers we see him use his daggers like in the first movie. Like he wanted to wound Thor more with the memory of how he used to be than cause actual physical harm. (Because hellllllllloooooooo, Asgardian constitution?) But when you add the snake story on top of that… Oh.

Ha, so it was Loki’s answer to Thor trying The Neck Thing™ on him.

“Thanks for bringing up such a painful memory. While you’re at it, why don’t you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?”

thorkizilla:

Do you know what’s another moment I loved about this movie?  When Loki makes his grand YOUR SAVIOR IS HERE! entrance, this is Thor’s reaction:

He’s delighted to see that dramatic little shit!

It complements the moment that comes not too much later, when Thor finds his lightning powers again and comes raining lightning down on the bridge, Loki does this absolute fucking smirk:

THEY ARE SO DELIGHTED BY EACH OTHER.

After all the years we had to struggle our way through the breaking of their relationship, the losses they both suffered, the cracks to both their foundations, the bitterness and strife that kept wedging itself in between them, literal years of watching them break apart and break apart and break apart.

And this movie could have broken them for good.  But instead it understood that they cannot go backwards, but that does not mean they cannot still go forward. That they can’t both be grow and change and find each other again.

The death of the last of their family might have split them apart, it almost did, but when it really came down to it, they both chose to move on, to be something more, and that allowed them to come back together.

It allowed them to smile when they saw each other again, genuine and real. After all that hurt–when Loki shows up again, their first reaction to the sight of the other is one of being glad to see the other, both of them.

thorkizilla:

I HAVE BEEN FLAILING AT LENGTH ABOUT LOKI’S CHARACTER ARC IN THIS MOVIE AND POOR @5ummit HAS HAD TO LISTEN TO ME GO ON AND NOW IT’S EVERYONE ELSE’S TURN.

“You’re late.”
“You’re missing an eye.”

I am just so delighted by how the introduction of Hela into the family shook things out of their rut and how it made everything that happened before feel necessary.  Like, I think TDW was necessary because Loki needed that time to work through being the worst villain the family, the black sheep, to wallow in it to realize that it actually wasn’t satisfying at all.  He had his time being WOE IS ME, he had his time being king of Asgard, and none of it really satisfied him.  So, when shit goes sideways as it always does, when he went back to trying to betray Thor, it felt hollow, because Thor had accepted that that was a choice he might make, that Thor wasn’t bothered by it.

And then there’s Hela.  Who takes the place of the worst Odinkid and Loki cannot really define himself by that role anymore, he’ll never be THE WORST after this.  Instead, he’s somewhere in the middle.  And I love that the movie seemed really aware of the gamut of this family, that Hela was on the far end of just deliciously, wonderfully violent and cruel, Thor was on the other end of how he had come through the fire and stayed good.  And that these two children were each half of Odin, that he was a conqueror, but he was also a father who loved, that they’re the two sides of him.  And Loki is that middle ground as well, he doesn’t have to be the best at being good, he doesn’t have to be the best at being evil, his siblings have that covered.

He can be something else, something more.

That’s why I loved that line so very much.  It’s frustrating to want it to be more serious (but, then, wasn’t TDW serious enough for all of us?) but I think it kind of worked for me, in that Thor felt like he had really made peace with everything.  It felt like Thor had MOVED ON and that’s what REALLY got to Loki.

Tom even says it in an interview:

So the idea that Thor might be indifferent to Loki is troubling for him, because that’s a defining feature of who his character is. I don’t belong in the family; my brother doesn’t love me; I hate my brother. The idea that his brother’s like, “Yeah, whatever,” it’s an interesting development.  But the two of them, that’s what I kind of loved about Ragnarok when I first read it. The two of them are placed in such an extraordinary situation where everything is unfamiliar; that their familiarity, literally as family members, becomes important.

Loki, for all that he pushes people away and betrays them and stabs them in the back, desperately does not ACTUALLY want to be given up on.  Thor making real peace with the idea that they’re going to go their separate ways?  Thor’s indifference to Loki trying to scheme and plot?

That’s what Loki absolutely cannot stand.

And that’s what the past movies are about–Thor trying to reach him, Loki pushing him away (to see if Thor will keep coming back) but when Thor MOVES ON, when Thor is done mourning and finds his equilibrium again, when Thor says, all right, well, this is what you want, then let’s do it and he means it?

It leaves Loki with the choice to make himself.  He can’t pin this choice on Thor or even on Odin.  He tries briefly, “Funny how [Odin]’s death should split us apart.” and Thor’s just like, I loved you, but we parted ways a long time ago.  You do what you want to do, Loki.  Stay in your predictability or be something more, whatever you choose, you choose.

And when it’s on LOKI to make that choice, suddenly he can’t bear to be left behind.  Suddenly he can’t bear for Thor to not care about him.  Suddenly he can’t bear not to be something more than what he was, because there’s nothing to rebel against and instead it’s up to no one but Loki to make that choice.

So he chooses something more.  (In the most Extra and dramatic fashion possible a;skjlakjslajks “YOOOOOUR SAVIOOOOR IS HERE!” oh my god.)

(Reply to The Neck Thing) I get why you would see it that way, that the gesture scared him because it threatened the mission. I always interpreted the longing look in his eyes to mean that the nostalgia of the touch made him consider taking up Thor’s offer: to stop everything and come home. That little laugh and head shake he does afterward always made me think that he was pushing the thought from his mind because he feels he can’t stop, because he feared Thanos or whatever reason he had.

Oh, absolutely. As I’m sure you know, because I talk about it a lot on my blog (it’s easier for me to point people to it than rewrite it on Tumblr as meta, but people usually aren’t interested…), I have written a fic, The Abyss Gazes Also, speculating about how exactly Thanos got Loki to the point where he was willing to go to Earth to fetch the Tesseract for him. It’s now reached the events of The Avengers, which I’m telling from Loki’s POV, and the most recent chapter deals with that conversation with Thor, including Loki’s conflicted feelings about Thor trying The Neck Thing on him (twice!).

Aucune sortie – ElodieTheFangirl, Philosopher_King – Thor (Movies) [Archive of Our Own]

Emprisonnés dans les cachots de Thanos, Thor et Loki commencent à parler.


ElodieTheFangirl, who is French and writes in both English and French, has very kindly translated my Thor & Loki fic No Exit (which @incredifishface won in my fic giveaway) into French. I do read French pretty well, so I read through it side by side with the original, and it is a remarkably faithful rendering.

I don’t know how many of y’all read French (other than @lunariagold, of course), or care particularly, but I’m quite pleased and flattered that someone went to the trouble of translating my fic.

It’s not entirely Ragnarok-compliant because it makes a reference to Odin suggesting that he’s still alive… oh well.

Aucune sortie – ElodieTheFangirl, Philosopher_King – Thor (Movies) [Archive of Our Own]