Marvel: Are you ready for the GOD of motherFUCKING THUNDER?????? He’s six feet of RAWMUSCLE and his hobbies include SMASHING things with a HUGE, MAGICHAMMER and being a generally SEXY BEAST
The fandom:
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The funniest thing is I imagine Diana and Thor would get along very well, and bond over their dads being the head honchos of the gods. Also lightning and thunder! Diana would probably be like a slightly exasperated big sister to Thor at times. Oh and she can 100% lift Mjolnir and wield Stormbreaker.
and we all know how Thor feels about female warriors. he would think Diana is the absolute coolest
Mjolnir? Stormbeaker? If Thor met her he would absolutely gush over her Lasso of truth!! A weapon designed to have one last ditch effort to resolve a situation even when your opponent has already resigned to battle? One last chance to resolve the conflict before anyone has to get hurt? Even just the fact that it can grapple an enemy instead of kill them outright. Thor would be in awe of Wonder Woman. To Thor she is everything a leader should be, brave, strong, wise, and just like Thor she is enamored by humanity despite it’s flaws. Wonder Woman is Thor’s goals personified. She’s the leader he wants to be
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The Lasso of Truth would also be a useful backstop for dealing with Loki. Just having it around might encourage him to be more honest… though it might also feel like a betrayal of trust if Thor ever actually used it.
On the other hand, Loki might be motivated to perfect the art of lying only by omission.
While I find the notion that Loki’s an innocent and pure angel annoying and ridiculous, I find the notion that Thor’s innocent and pure equally so. He doesn’t have to have been a morally righteous, wonderful, unproblematic sunshine boy since birth to be a hero. He can have made serious mistakes, held gross, racist views, perpetuated Odin’s imperialism through both rhetoric and action, etc. and still be good because he’s grown as a person. Because he continues to grow and learn from his mistakes. Excusing his bad behavior, calling it justified (even the stuff he did/said to/about the Frost Giants at the beginning of Thor), only encourages the dumb idea that heroes can’t be flawed, that people are always one way. I’ll always maintain that Thor had good intentions, but, for fucks sake, Loki has good intentions in Thor (selfish good intentions, but he’s trying to be the hero to prove himself). Good intentions =/= morally right. Condemn the heroes for their wrong actions, just as we condemn the villains.
Gosh, I’ll never understand why people want Thor to be so boring, stagnant, and artificial! XP
We (people who are Loki fans in the first instance) don’t even have a problem saying that Loki has worse moral problems than Thor does. Guess what? You’re allowed to like characters who have done bad things! You’re even allowed to prefer a morally worse character over a morally better character on aesthetic grounds! I do it all the time.
There’s a consistent problem with people on this site, or maybe in fandom generally, denying the existence of moral complexity and ambiguity. They claim their favorite character is always good and pure all the time, and if that character comes into conflict with another, they feel the need to claim that the other character is totally evil and wrong. I really wish people would stop doing that. It makes the characters and the movies (or books or TV shows) more boring than they actually are.
The lowering of the gaze – the difference between the two.
This whole comparison reads like a John Mulaney joke.
“So I could never understand how someone would want to take over a planet. Like how could someone just go to someone else’s planet and try to rule it. And then I met his dad and I was like, “Oh, okay. I’m not going to do it, but I totally get it now.”
The one thing good that came out of Loki discovering the truth about being Jotunn? No more lowering his gaze when Odin speaks. It still hurts, but Odin saying that validates every thought Loki’s had about how Odin screwed him over. Compare “Your birthright was to die!” to “You were both born to be kings.” Daddy dearest lost all authority over Loki.
The same thing happens to Thor after Ragnarok. Hela and Odin’s past reveal that there’s no worthiness to be gained in respecting Odin’s authority or leadership example. Thor’s free to be a good man and a king. Those no longer need be necessarily at odds to facilitate idolizing his father.
You’re right about Loki in TDW. I wish you were right about Thor in Ragnarok, but the movie isn’t that deep or even self-consistent: Odin still appears to Thor in a vision to offer him wisdom and Thor says that he’s not as strong as Odin was. I think Ragnarok was just ignoring that “good man vs. great king” line the way it ignored most of the rest of the previous films.
Loki is the Philosopher King 