Thor was a victim of Odin’s abuse and brainwashing too, so maybe try not to blame him for thinking Loki was beyond hope because when a parent you’ve been raised to trust tells you that, you’re inclined to believe them
“Thor was a victim of Odin’s abuse and brainwashing too”
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, because being the golden child that everyone loves totally isthe same as being the scapegoat outcast whose father literally said his birthright was to die and then locked him in the dungeons for what was meant to be the rest of his life with no content with the outside world.
*snort*
Sure, Thor was totally abused too xD
Not all abuse follows the same pattern and no one is saying Thor was abused to the same degree as Loki was.
Let’s look at the 3rd child, Hela, because her abuse has most in common with Thor. Odin seemed to treat her well and judging from the friezes she uncovered, they seem to show she was respected by Asgard, ruling at Odin’s side. She was given the same weapon as Thor and raised to be a warmonger than Odin could unleash on his enemies.
But he had moulded her into a mass murderer. Do you doubt that doing that to a child is abusive?
It doesn’t excuse what she did, just as Loki’s abuse doesn’t excuse what he did, but it does help you understand why these things happened.
As for Thor, he basically got the Hela-lite treatment. He was raised to love war and fighting, he was even raised to be a cold-blooded killer (just look what he did on Jotunheim), just not to the same degree that Hela was.
Neither Thor and Hela were raised to have introspection, given the ability to question their actions, thoughts, or beliefs.
And when they did what they had been raised to do (wage war) but without Odin’s permission, both were banished.
None of his children were raised with their best interests at heart. Rather, they were turned into what Odin wanted them to be. He viewed them as extensions of himself that he could do what he wanted with, rather than as people in their own right.
Nothing about this is healthy parenting. Nothing about this raises well-rounded adults. He has damaged all his children via the emotional abuse used to turn them into what he wanted them to be.
Thor was able to overcome his abuse and become a wise, rounded adult (well, ish. He succeeded as long as you ignore the BS that was Ragnarok).
Although it wasn’t shown onscreen, Loki seems to have taken strides too, not to overcome the abuse perse, but to become his own person, who he wants to be rather than who Odin wanted him to be, or a rebellion against who Odin wanted him to be.
Some of Odin’s children received different kinds and different levels of abuse, but they were all abused.
“Loki is often the voice of reason to Thor’s impulsiveness and is usually relied on to talk his older brother out of sticky situation. ”
“As Odin’s younger son, Loki has always known the throne of Asgard will never belong to him. He has, however, tried his best to be a good brother to Thor and a son Odin could be proud of.”
BONUS:
Interesting.
Teleport is canon!
This irritates me…… a lot.
He can teleport.
Why the hell wasn’t this used in any of the other movies?
This is so important.
The argument could be made that he did teleport in the first Avengers. Loki cast an illusion of himself/became invisible and teleported behind Coulson to stab him with his staff.
Also he may have teleported himself into the room Thor was being kept in by S.H.I.E.L.D. in the first Thor movie and we just didn’t get to see it.
Honestly, I just ignore the teleportation thing in my fic writing. There’s a lot of stuff in canon that wouldn’t make sense if he could teleport.
The fact that Loki can teleport makes a LOT of canon stuff make no sense. The first 5 minutes of Infinity War especially.
Loki’s teleporting is definitely worth discussing, but can we talk about what they listed as Frigga’s “abilities”? Like … what even lol.
I should clarify: by “canon” (involving Loki) I mean Thor (2011), The Avengers (2012), and Thor: The Dark World (2013).
Yeah, they kind of forgot about Frigga’s illusion magic and swordfighting skills… or maybe they didn’t decide to put those in until TDW.
Re: @angryowlet‘s speculation, I don’t think any teleportation was involved in killing Coulson. I think Loki made two illusory copies of himself: one to lure Thor into the cage, and one to taunt Thor while the actual Loki was off retrieving the scepter.
The main reason I think teleportation would mess with canon logic is that Thor probably would have known that Loki could teleport, and that would be an extremely clear indication that he had gotten himself captured on purpose in The Avengers. He also could have teleported away to keep himself from being apprehended and imprisoned at the end, though I suppose he might have had reasons to want to place himself under Asgardian protection. Also (and this is mostly kind of silly), he wouldn’t have needed to ride a horse from the palace to the Bifrost observatory toward the end of Thor.
“Loki is often the voice of reason to Thor’s impulsiveness and is usually relied on to talk his older brother out of sticky situation. ”
“As Odin’s younger son, Loki has always known the throne of Asgard will never belong to him. He has, however, tried his best to be a good brother to Thor and a son Odin could be proud of.”
BONUS:
Interesting.
Teleport is canon!
This irritates me…… a lot.
He can teleport.
Why the hell wasn’t this used in any of the other movies?
This is so important.
The argument could be made that he did teleport in the first Avengers. Loki cast an illusion of himself/became invisible and teleported behind Coulson to stab him with his staff.
Also he may have teleported himself into the room Thor was being kept in by S.H.I.E.L.D. in the first Thor movie and we just didn’t get to see it.
Honestly, I just ignore the teleportation thing in my fic writing. There’s a lot of stuff in canon that wouldn’t make sense if he could teleport.
Thor, turning to Tony: He says this stupid damn city needs more flowers and pollen-bearing plants because you’re making him have to work a 16-hour shift every day just to feed his wife and kids
Tony: What the fuck Thor we’ve talked about this
Dog: *Bark bark bark*
Thor, sternly: No, Captain America’s pants are not fit for consumption
Steve, with no idea that Thor can speak dog: ???!?!????!!!??
Fly: *hums*
Thor, leaping from his chair: Oh what the FUCK did you say about my hair?? Oh you want to fuckign go do you?? Is that what you fucking want??? Well Step the FUCK UP then you stupid ass buzzy BITCH *summons lightning*
DUM-E: *Beep boops*
Thor, patting Tony on the back: well done my friend
Tony: For what?
Thor: Your robot is telling me all about how well his dad oiled up his joints this morning and keeps saying ‘I love him’ on repeat. He has been doing this for an hour.
Tony, immediately tearing up: oh my fucking god Thor