Tag: the russo brothers

To all the people saying “the Russo brothers and Markus & McFeely are smart, they wouldn’t kill Loki in such a stupid way and leave all these hints that he might still be alive”:

  • They’re not that smart. Civil War was terrible; The Winter Soldier wasn’t as great as everyone says it was; and hello, have you seen what they did with Infinity War? Even aside from Loki’s stupid death, I mean. Thanos’s “sympathetic” Malthusian worldview? Fridging Gamora for Quill’s AND Thanos’s Manpain™? Our heroes deciding that a whole bunch of Wakandans can die so that Vision doesn’t have to because “we don’t trade lives” (right…)?
  • Markus & McFeely wrote Thor: The Dark World, which had a really weak main plot and not that much involvement from Loki until Joss Whedon was brought in as a script doctor and added more for reshoots.
  • Markus & McFeely originally intended to kill Loki permanently in TDW but Feige made an executive decision to bring him back because of his popularity with fans at the time. His mainstream popularity has (I think) waned since then (partly due to the deliberate diminution and demeaning of his character in Ragnarok).
  • I wouldn’t be surprised if M&M wanted to finish the job they started in TDW. They fridged Frigga to bring Thor and Loki together through Manpain; they had every intention of fridging Loki permanently for the sake of Thor’s Manpain.

Josh Horowitz might have stood up for Tom but now Marvel is the size of Thanos wearing the infinity gauntlet. His “protest” won’t get further than his cubicle

I just meant that during the interview, when he did (reasonably) cast doubt on the notion that Idris Elba ages, he might also have said that if Tom Hiddleston ages, it is only the way a great wine does. Of course that would have had no effect on any decisions made at Marvel, but briefly shaming the Russos might have been nice.

anicesentiment:

lokiloveforever:

thewinchesterlifestyle:

On top of all the bullshit reasons for what happened in the first ten minutes of IW the Russos are saying Tom is getting too old to play Loki?

Tom Hiddleston is getting TOO OLD to play Loki?

Thor

The Avengers

Thor: The Dark World

Thor: Ragnarok

Avengers: Infinity War

Avengers 4 (on set filming)

Yeah…there is a HUGE difference in his looks thanks to his age *rolls eyes* Fucking idiots. Killing off a beloved character and a huge fan favorite not only for stupid reasons that reduce his character to a mere shadow behind Thor but because Tom is getting “too old” is idiotic. I feel awful for Tom Hiddleston because that is insulting. On top of that they even mention how it upset Tom to find out what happened to Loki (a character he genuinely loves).

All of the actors are aging and their ages quite often don’t match up with their characters. I’m not saying that because I want those characters to get killed off but I’m pointing out the ridiculousness of that statement. Why not just admit you didn’t know what to do with the character in IW and decided to take an easy out by sacrificing him and then milking the fan’s love of the character/actor during promotions? Loki didn’t need to die and he certainly didn’t need to die like that. A story doesn’t come full circle only when the character has been brutally murdered and that character certainly shouldn’t be killed as some kind of twisted motivation for Thor. Death isn’t the only motivation. It’s a cheap, easy motivation and Loki’s character deserves more.

This better be a bunch of bullshit to throw everyone off of Avengers 4 and not the actual truth. Also, because I can, someone started a petition for Loki. Fans managed to bring him back in Thor: The Dark World…why not again?

T H I S

I am counting on those leaked pics from A4 as actually being in the film. And if they go back in time to the first Avengers to unwind what Thanos did then they can DAMN WELL unwind Loki’s ‘death’ as well. He’s a god, for fuck’s sake. 

Except they won’t undo Loki’s death because they want him to stay dead. They’ll taunt his fans with this little flashback, maybe allow us to hope they’ll actually give him a meaningful role in the next movie so that maybe we’ll buy movie tickets, and then yank it away again because we’re not the fans they’re looking for. If Thor wonders why they can’t turn time back far enough to save Loki, Heimdall, and half of Asgard, Doctor Strange or Hank Pym or Captain Marvel or someone will say something cryptic about how they can only defeat Thanos if those people stay dead, or how it would be disastrous to cause too much disruption to the fabric of spacetime, or some similar bullshit. But it’s just as likely that Thor won’t ask. They wanted to fridge Loki and Heimdall to give Thor the proper “motivation,” to have him appropriately desperate and desolate, but they probably won’t even think to have him try to save the people he lost.

The age thing was just a flimsy excuse. They were filming IW and A4 concurrently, so Hiddleston wouldn’t be any older if they left him alive in the latter. No one was saying that he had to keep appearing in MCU movies forever, but killing a character violently isn’t the only way to take them out of future films. They just don’t care about giving a plausible or satisfying end to his character arc.

The Russos on “Happy, Sad, Confused”

First of all, here’s the link so that you can listen for yourself if you want. And to avoid confusion about what the hell everyone is talking about.

This confirms what I’ve thought since I first saw Infinity War: that the “No resurrections this time” line was coming directly from the creators rather than just from Thanos; that the filmmakers are tired of Loki, don’t understand why fans (especially fans who aren’t members of their straight cis male target audience) find him so interesting, and are perfectly happy to disregard character in order to use him as a plot device. And they really do sound smug about it; it’s like they’re glad to be rid of this unexpected favorite of the silly fangirls whose money they’ll happily take but whose affection they don’t really want (God forbid these movies should be mistaken for chick flicks!).

Loki’s death was in no way intended to serve his character arc, regardless of what people say about how it shows that he’s redeemed himself (gotta have that good old redemption through death) and is now willing to die for Thor (which he already showed he was in TDW, ignoring Ragnarok’s retcon that he deliberately faked it). His death was made as quick and violent as possible to build up Thanos as a villain – which, btw, doesn’t even work if “the reigning villain of the Marvel Universe” has to be acting uncharacteristically stupid for Thanos to be able to kill him – and to get Thor to a place where he’s lost everything. Again. Because that totally hasn’t been done before in the first Thor movie and again in Thor: Ragnarok. In short, Loki was fridged, and not even in a plausible or helpful way.

I guess I must have been giving some credence to the theories of why Loki is still alive or will come back, because this confirmation makes me feel sick. I don’t know if I’m going to boycott the MCU entirely… but I’m definitely going to make an effort to watch the things I want to watch without paying. And I’m definitely not going to see Avengers 4 until I know what they end up doing with Loki, why there’s that flashback, etc.

imaginetrilobites:

as for the “tom too old to play loki”

not surprised it comes from the same people who gave us this useless fatphobic moment

not only does hemsworth look 1. much older than 34 (i’m not judging it’s whatever) 2. older STILL with thor’s new beard 

it’s kind of okay if they don’t look like they’re in their early 20s 

they are ~1500 years old and they’ve been through hell 

it’s okay if they look a bit tired 

still, can’t believe they actually fucking said it 

it’s just rude

poor tom for having to actively promote this shit 

Why did Josh Horowitz not object? He did object (rightly) to the idea that Idris Elba is aging, but I thought he might have stood up for his friend.

imaginetrilobites:

i’m laughing so hard not even because of the whole ‘hiddleston too old’ thing but

they kill off loki and heimdall

to give thor movitation

thor

who is a god and a king and an avenger and represents all that is good 

and is the epitome of protectiveness 

… yeah i can totally imagine how thor finds out about a guy who 1. tortured his beloved brother 2. wants to murder half the universe 3. can actually do it 

and thor is just like yeah i think i’m gonna sit this one out 

lucianalight:

philosopherking1887:

foundlingmother:

hulkbanners:

this is the only news that matters tbh…..

Torn between being happy Valkyrie survived, and pissed that they’re doing this. Seriously? “I know we didn’t show it to you or mention it whatsoever, but lots of Asgardians survived, including the woc we didn’t bother to put in our movie.” That’s lazy and a cop out.

You know, I kind of figured, since it would be implausible for a ship of that size not to have escape pods – they’re like the lifeboats on the Titanic. But it is annoying that they didn’t even have Thor say “At least the Valkyrie led some of my people to safety” or something like that.

The bad news: this reduces the likelihood that Loki will be brought back in A4. If some of the Asgardians survived – including Brunnhilde, whose presence in future movies has been teased – it becomes less imperative to turn back the clock as far as the attack on the Ark… and makes that “No resurrections this time” line seem more like a declaration from the creators themselves rather than merely from Thanos.

Yes. That’s exactly what it was. A declaration from the creators.

And it felt nasty to me, in a way not dissimilar to Taika Waititi’s curt “No.” to the woman petitioning for a solo Loki movie. It felt like they were saying to Loki’s (mostly female) fans, “You’ve been spoiled in the past, but you can’t keep expecting to see your fave come back every time. He and you have worn out your welcome here; we have other priorities.”

I’m probably just being pedantic (as usual), and I don’t know squat about the actual content of IW, but I’d like to insist on the difference between the role of the *screenwriters*, Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, who wrote the story and dialogue, and that of the *directors*, Joe and Anthony Russo, who figured out things like staging, framing, and precise expression. Markus and McFeely are primarily to blame/credit for the actual sequence of events, including significant character deaths.

juliabohemian:

whitedaydream:

juliabohemian:

whitedaydream:

lokiloveforever:

yume-no-fantasy:

Keyword: COMPLEXITY

@lokiloveforever @kaori04 @lucianalight @whitedaydream @latent-thoughts @mastreworld @shine-of-asgard @lasimo74allmyworld and everyone who hates the oversimplification of Loki’s character in Gagnarok.

This sounds positive, maybe, I hope? I don’t think they’re going to achieve the same level of depth and complexity with Thanos that Loki has reached, but maybe this is a good sign they’ll let Loki’s true colors fly?

This is good, right? Or promising, at least.

“What appeals to my brother and me about movies in general, characters in general, is the complexity that you can find within them. People aren’t simply this or simply that. Loki is a great example — somebody who is torn in two directions.”

It’s a big middle finger to Waititi’s “Loki is just a rich kid from outer space and we shouldn’t give a shit about his own problems”. 😏

Isn’t anything that constitutes decent writing and character development going to be a big middle finger to Ragnarok, though?

Here’s what I imagined happened…

MCU: “Just, you know, do whatever you want…as long as it ends with Thor and Loki on good terms, right before Thanos’ ship shows up.”

TAIKA: “Okay then.” (Makes Ragnarok)

MCU: “Oh wow, yeah…okay. Maybe we should have been more specific.”