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re: ragnarok – can we talk about how Thor seems chill wearing casual clothes when he visits Earth but Loki always seems to dress in a suit? What do you make of that? Something about him needing to look authoritative and in control?

lunariagold:

darklittlestories:

monitoroutside:

darklittlestories:

veliseraptor:

yes! we can talk about this!!!

I think it’s two things – first of all, I do think Loki just genuinely likes dressing up and looking nice. I mean, in Thor we see him change clothes a few times where others (if I recall) don’t, and in this movie he had at least two thematic costume changes (not including the black suit). it’s part of his Aesthetic, and Loki is very much about the Aesthetic. 

(more seriously: he’s very appearance-conscious in basically every way and that includes, of course, clothing.)

so then on Earth – Thor can dress down, I think because Thor is more comfortable on Earth generally (where for Loki it’s not a place he particularly wants to be) and also because Thor doesn’t feel the same need Loki does to project a specific image – an image, like you say, of authority, control, and status. three things Loki is never going to want to relinquish.

and it does fit in with what we’ve seen Loki wear when he comes to Earth before, which. it definitely is a lot of style choice. (and it’s such a good style.)

Costume meta!!!! YESSSS.

Loki is always as *covered* and buttoned up as possible, with which I’m obsessed. (It shows up in a lot of fanfiction and meta, so it’s not just me.) It reflects his closed off wariness and it’s always a sort of emotional armor, I think.

He’s so, so insecure, our Loki, that he hides behind this armor and yes, it absolutely projects an air of authority and confidence that he needs desperately to perform. I could talk for HOURS about his costuming.

I felt actually punched in the face when the first trailers were released and we saw him *not* wearing his signature green and black and gold.

That outfit, though, is in the Grandmaster’s colors. It reinforces the “ownership” of people the Grandmaster assumes on Sakaar. It’s a very Sakaar ensemble and in context I love it. Loki’s ingratiated himself to the most powerful being and his schemes have schemes.

Thor, of course, is often seen half-naked, sleeveless, and in casual clothing on Midgard. He’s more open, egregious, and straightforward. The contrast is beautiful between the brothers’ attire.

Tagging my costume obsessed @philosopherking1887 @lunariagold and @raven-brings-light (I’m not sure if you’re this fixated on costumes, Raven, but I know you appreciate the Suit Porn.)

(Luna I keep forgetting to ask you what you thought of the costuming after seeing the movie!)

Amazing points about Loki’s attire. 

Ah, well they are definitely not just my observations. I’m sure part of this comes from @philosopherking1887 (OMG her story The Abyss Gazes Also has an incredible cool explanation for Loki’s Avengers outfit) and there are SO many others who’ve written great observations about Loki’s clothing.

Regarding the costumes themselves as outfits, I’m a bit divided. None of Loki’s outfits were as beautiful and elegant as his TDW armour in my opinion (except maybe the black suit in terms of elegance but… it’s a suit not really a costume). But I do like the fact that they are bound to be easier to recopy: The metal armour bits aren’t as ornate, there are less metallic parts altogether, the leather looks like cheaper pleather, the patterns in general are less complex… So they are more cosplay-friendly.

I absolutely love that this helmet allows for both the horns AND the hair to show. This makes it BEST HELMET ❤

I think my fave Loki costume out of Ragnarok is the one when they fight on the bridge (cape and helmet mmmm)

I agree, regarding the costumes looking cheap and pleather-y. I was concerned about that when the first photos showed up, but I thought maybe they’d look better onscreen… and I guess they looked somewhat better, but still not great. And FFS, give the poor man a modesty flap.

On one level I agree with you about the helmet… but it also just looks completely useless as a piece of armor. It’s completely decorative, but also looks kind of cheap and plasticky. I think the helmet from The Avengers wins, because it’s an effective helmet but you can also still see his hair. Even though the way it makes the back of his head pointy does look a little silly.

Why was Loki able to extract Valkyrie’s memory?

catwinchester:

maneth985:

darklittlestories:

philosopherking1887:

This is not something we’ve seen him do before. Not that he would have had any occasion to in previous movies, but this is kind of in a different category from other things he does with magic: mostly illusions, shapeshifting, and moving things around.

This is some wild-ass, blatantly self-interested speculation, but… what if the power to draw out other people’s memories is a relatively new ability that he gained from his interaction with the Mind Stone? Scarlet Witch got her powers from experimentation with the Mind Stone, and one of the things we’ve seen her do is get into people’s heads and make them experience things based on their worst fears and most painful memories.

This at least suggests that forcing people to re-experience memories is one of the things that the Mind Stone can do, in addition to co-opting their will to make them serve the aims of the wielder. I think everyone I know has dismissed the idea that Thanos was controlling Loki the way Loki controlled Barton and Selvig; that’s probably not something you can do to a magically powerful being like Loki. BUT Scarlet Witch was able to do the fear-exploiting thing with Thor, and Loki simultaneously experienced and forced the Valkyrie to re-experience her worst memory – that is something you can do to more powerful beings.

So… this provides some circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory I explore in my fic The Abyss Gazes Also about what happened between Thanos and Loki: that Thanos exploited Loki’s own fears, resentments, and insecurities and forced him to re-experience his most traumatic memories involving his family (especially Thor and Odin) to manipulate him into invading Earth on Thanos’s behalf and fighting against his adoptive family.

Tagging people who read my fic and might care: @angrymadsygin, @darklittlestories, @fuckyeahrichardiii, @iamhisgloriouspurpose, @ikoliholic, @illwynd, @lunariagold, @nursejoh53, @raven-brings-light, @writernotwaiting

I was thinking exactly along these lines and am SO EXCITED that for wherever reason we have new Loki powers to play with!

I think he always had the abilities to tap into someone’s memories, there just wasn’t any place to showcase those abilities yet or maybe he just never bothered to practice them. And I think it isn’t clear if HE could see Valkyrie’s memories, or if he simply triggered her to see them.

If he did that to distract her, why not take her down before she recovers from the flashback? 

Instead, he seemed only a little less dazed than she was at the end which (added to her rage at having to remember) allows her to take him out with one punch.

His stricken facial expression, as well as his general air of disorientation, did seem to suggest that he had seen it, too.

lovelyirony:

knightinironarmor:

knightinironarmor:

knightinironarmor:

knightinironarmor:

no i know what i want from my mister tony “have i not been warning you about space threats for years” stark

i want a Passive Aggressive comment. like i want *THAT* type of passive aggressive comment that’s been entrenched and rotting inside you for years and when it finally comes out it just slices right through people the way a paper cut does, it seems small and inconsequential but by god the sting comes eventually and it s t a y s

[deadpans while focusing on a screen] “guess at this point we might as well just die together”

[someone asks alien-related question] [tony immediately answers, flatly, from across the room] [everyone looks]

[maria hill:] so, was it last night that you became an expert in intergalactic diplomacy
[tony stark:] about six years ago

[pulls out multiple anti-alien contingencies he’s put together for the team]

[someone:] you’ve been busy huh? what is this
[tony stark:] [squints, as if trying to remember the name] six years of stuff no one helped me with. anyway

“I can’t believe we’re going against aliens again.” 

“Yeah, me either,” Tony deadpans, straight into the camera. “It’s almost like we had this whole argument about threats in the future and I mean maybe someone said something.” 

Why was Loki able to extract Valkyrie’s memory?

led-lite:

philosopherking1887:

This is not something we’ve seen him do before. Not that he would have had any occasion to in previous movies, but this is kind of in a different category from other things he does with magic: mostly illusions, shapeshifting, and moving things around.

This is some wild-ass, blatantly self-interested speculation, but… what if the power to draw out other people’s memories is a relatively new ability that he gained from his interaction with the Mind Stone? Scarlet Witch got her powers from experimentation with the Mind Stone, and one of the things we’ve seen her do is get into people’s heads and make them experience things based on their worst fears and most painful memories.

This at least suggests that forcing people to re-experience memories is one of the things that the Mind Stone can do, in addition to co-opting their will to make them serve the aims of the wielder. I think everyone I know has dismissed the idea that Thanos was controlling Loki the way Loki controlled Barton and Selvig; that’s probably not something you can do to a magically powerful being like Loki. BUT Scarlet Witch was able to do the fear-exploiting thing with Thor, and Loki simultaneously experienced and forced the Valkyrie to re-experience her worst memory – that is something you can do to more powerful beings.

So… this provides some circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory I explore in my fic The Abyss Gazes Also about what happened between Thanos and Loki: that Thanos exploited Loki’s own fears, resentments, and insecurities and forced him to re-experience his most traumatic memories involving his family (especially Thor and Odin) to manipulate him into invading Earth on Thanos’s behalf and fighting against his adoptive family.

Tagging people who read my fic and might care: @angrymadsygin, @darklittlestories, @fuckyeahrichardiii, @iamhisgloriouspurpose, @ikoliholic, @illwynd, @lunariagold, @nursejoh53, @raven-brings-light, @writernotwaiting

@philosopherking1887 Honestly, my inclination as well. It’s not exactly like Loki would have been around to experience this happening so he couldn’t project something that he knew or witnessed, he had to have reached into her mind.

I further thought that Loki may have also been able to blend some of these new powers into whatever the hell he did to Odin because Odin would not have known or expected his son to come at him with these abilities.

(Sidenote, my ‘funny’ head canon is that Odin regaining his mind is what caused the actual destruction of that Shady Acres old folks home, take that or leave it :p)  

Oh, interesting point about Odin. That actually suggests that the Mind Stone allows someone to delete or alter memories, or maybe even implant false ones. I was resisting the idea that that was something Thanos could have done to Loki – even though it’s a much neater explanation of the “I remember you tossing me into an abyss” line – because I thought it would be more interesting, poignant, and ultimately fucked-up if he was able to get Loki to the point he was at in “The Avengers” using only Loki’s own memories and emotions as raw material…

re: ragnarok – can we talk about how Thor seems chill wearing casual clothes when he visits Earth but Loki always seems to dress in a suit? What do you make of that? Something about him needing to look authoritative and in control?

darklittlestories:

monitoroutside:

darklittlestories:

veliseraptor:

yes! we can talk about this!!!

I think it’s two things – first of all, I do think Loki just genuinely likes dressing up and looking nice. I mean, in Thor we see him change clothes a few times where others (if I recall) don’t, and in this movie he had at least two thematic costume changes (not including the black suit). it’s part of his Aesthetic, and Loki is very much about the Aesthetic. 

(more seriously: he’s very appearance-conscious in basically every way and that includes, of course, clothing.)

so then on Earth – Thor can dress down, I think because Thor is more comfortable on Earth generally (where for Loki it’s not a place he particularly wants to be) and also because Thor doesn’t feel the same need Loki does to project a specific image – an image, like you say, of authority, control, and status. three things Loki is never going to want to relinquish.

and it does fit in with what we’ve seen Loki wear when he comes to Earth before, which. it definitely is a lot of style choice. (and it’s such a good style.)

Costume meta!!!! YESSSS.

Loki is always as *covered* and buttoned up as possible, with which I’m obsessed. (It shows up in a lot of fanfiction and meta, so it’s not just me.) It reflects his closed off wariness and it’s always a sort of emotional armor, I think.

He’s so, so insecure, our Loki, that he hides behind this armor and yes, it absolutely projects an air of authority and confidence that he needs desperately to perform. I could talk for HOURS about his costuming.

I felt actually punched in the face when the first trailers were released and we saw him *not* wearing his signature green and black and gold.

That outfit, though, is in the Grandmaster’s colors. It reinforces the “ownership” of people the Grandmaster assumes on Sakaar. It’s a very Sakaar ensemble and in context I love it. Loki’s ingratiated himself to the most powerful being and his schemes have schemes.

Thor, of course, is often seen half-naked, sleeveless, and in casual clothing on Midgard. He’s more open, egregious, and straightforward. The contrast is beautiful between the brothers’ attire.

Tagging my costume obsessed @philosopherking1887 @lunariagold and @raven-brings-light (I’m not sure if you’re this fixated on costumes, Raven, but I know you appreciate the Suit Porn.)

(Luna I keep forgetting to ask you what you thought of the costuming after seeing the movie!)

Amazing points about Loki’s attire. 

Ah, well they are definitely not just my observations. I’m sure part of this comes from @philosopherking1887 (OMG her story The Abyss Gazes Also has an incredible cool explanation for Loki’s Avengers outfit) and there are SO many others who’ve written great observations about Loki’s clothing.

Thanks for the shout-out/rec, @darklittlestories ❤

Clearly I’m falling down on my costume-obsessing job, because I didn’t notice that somehow, between when Loki leaves Sakaar and when he shows up on Asgard, he changes into a costume with the same design but different colors (basically blue –> black and yellow –> green, with a few detail exceptions). Did he have a change of clothes stashed in a pocket dimension, or does he have the power to just change the color of his clothing, like the fairies in the Disney Sleeping Beauty fighting over whether the dress should be pink or blue…?

I’m not sure I agree that for Loki Earth is “not a place he particularly wants to be.” For silly reasons peculiar to me, I write Loki in fic as visiting Earth once or twice a century to check out the cultural development… but aside from that, it’s not unreasonable to think that before the first Thor movie, Loki actually knows more about Earth than Thor does. Thor is confused by pretty much everything, but when Loki comes down to tell Thor that Odin is dead, he’s impeccably and fashionably dressed in a suit, coat, and scarf. This doesn’t even seem to be necessary, because he keeps himself invisible to everyone except Thor (though maybe he was taking precautions in case the invisibility spell slipped?); it seems he dressed in Western Midgardian style because he felt like it. And then in The Avengers, after he’s spent a year off in the wilds of the universe but probably not on Earth (depending on what was going on in the tag scene to Thor), he puts on (or glamours himself?) another elegant Midgardian-style suit and scarf. So he seems to have acquired some Earth fashion sense prior to the events of Thor.

But yeah, I definitely agree that Loki’s clothing is armor in more ways than one. (More things he has in common with Tony Stark…) He hides himself behind it; he allows it to project the confidence, “authority, control, and status” that he doesn’t have, or doesn’t feel that he has, in his own right. It’s yet another layer of deception. And the fact that he changes costume so often is another sign of his character: he’s a bit of a chameleon, projecting a different face for different people or in different circumstances. He cares a lot about appearances, both for instrumental reasons and, I suspect along with OP, for their own sake. I think he and Oscar Wilde would agree about a lot of things…

superhusbands4ever:

teamironmanforever:

marvelstudiosmovies:

Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston and #Robert Downey Jr. were spotted filming scenes for ‘Avengers 4’ in Atlanta, GA on November 2, 2017 

This looks like a flashback to me

I’m hesitant to say flashback because that looks like Martin Freeman in the second photo??? He was definitely not in 2012 Avengers lol

Maybe they’re just now filming a flashback scene to the events at the end of the first Avengers movie?

mamalaz:

shieldposts:

I bet there are labels like this all over Avengers tower

Okay, but now I am imagining Steve figuring out how to use a printer just so he can put labels all over the tower:

Outside the air ducts: “No Climbing Inside. I’m looking at you, Barton.”

Inside the air ducts. “Clint, I’m very disappointed in you.”

By the coffee machine: “Coffee isn’t a food group, Stark. Eat a sandwich.”