foundlingmother:

philosopherking1887:

Better tag @sarah1281 on this one because it was her comment. I do think Loki had some culpability – maybe not in Odin’s death as such, but in the manner of it, and of course the fact that he didn’t have the opportunity to warn them about Hela. But no, I don’t think Loki killed Odin. I think Odin was very old and tired, had been putting off Odinsleep too much, and was devastated by the death of Frigga, his companion, advisor, and love. I suspect that he was also hollowed out by his thorough failure with Loki, and the fact that Loki was so angry with him that he was willing to wipe his memory, banish him, and usurp the throne. To the extent that that’s the case, Loki is indirectly responsible, but I do think it’s also Odin’s recognition of his own failure, which isn’t exactly Loki’s fault.

I wouldn’t assign much blame to Loki for Odin being unable to tell them about Hela. He had many years to do so. Loki’s responsible for Odin not being able to warn them from 2013 to 2017 (and based on his previous silence, and how little he actually tells them, I’m not convinced he would have warned them much further in advance).

And since I was part of that initial conversation that @sarah1281 was referring to, I feel it’s important to clarify my point of view. It aligns with @philosopherking1887′s. Furthermore, I wouldn’t list Odin’s death as one of Loki’s crimes, and I take issue not with Thor blaming Loki (I think it’s a perfectly reasonable reaction to losing a loved one), but to the movie suggesting he’s correct when he says “You did this.” There’s a difference between a character searching for someone to blame for a loss (an irrational, but normal reaction to tragedy), and a film agreeing with that character, and presenting no room for a discussion. To tie it back into the post the anon was reading, I think it highlights one of the weaknesses in Ragnarok that they introduce, but never address, this particular reaction Thor has to his father’s passing. Ragnarok does a decent job of acknowledging the family conflicts, and even comes up with a few that make perfect sense, but it doesn’t pay them off well, if at all (see how Loki’s heritage is brought up and completely ignored in a handful of seconds). Some of that’s the tone of the movie, and some of it’s a disregard for the previous films.