i love how hilariously evil Loki looks in the first gif… I imagine the mural painter painting him normally and Odin being like “no, that doesn’t really… capture his personality”
what’s interesting is that the mural is clearly of post-avengers loki, unless he, at some point, wore his hair longer in the past. but his armor looks very avengers/tdw.
my theory: either loki-as-odin had this commissioned, OR – odin had it commissioned even after loki was sentenced and imprisoned. the family, together. always.
food for thought.
nah it auto-updates from the family photo album every decade or so. woulda got really awkward if loki hadn’t remembered to shut that feature off just in time before it gives him away and deletes frigga
This is the exact expression he gave to Thor during the elevator scene: the surprise at hearing something he so desperately needed and the sadness because it’s too late. In this scene, he recognizes that Odin is dying, and in the elevator scene, Thor tells him that he thought the world of him only in the past tense, so there’s acceptance in his gaze but also a wistfulness.
I find it so sad that the people who claim to love him are so lacking in self-awareness. Odin realizes he was a bad father, when it’s too late to be of any use to Loki. Thor continues to think that all the problems between he and his brother are his brother’s fault and his brother’s responsibility to fix. What’s even sadder is that Loki rose to the occasion, meaning he’s given up trying to assert his feelings and has succumbed to the notion that for his relationship with Thor to work, it has to be done on Thor’s terms.
What’s even sadder is that Loki rose to the occasion, meaning he’s given up trying to assert his feelings and has succumbed to the notion that for his relationship with Thor to work, it has to be done on Thor’s terms. <——– This.
I try not to see it this way because it’s so not Loki. It’s not like Loki to do sth on someone else’s term. I refuse to let Ragnarok take this away from Loki. The only way I can see and bear it is the concept of ego death that Loki went through in comics. I chose to see that torture scene as the burning of ego death and his return and reconcilation with Thor as letting go of his anger.
@illwynd, I’m reminded of our recent conversation.
So at first I was a little ??? about Hela being Thor’s sister in Ragnarok (squeezing her into the role Angela so recently acquired as their long-lost-big-sister in comics), but the more I think about it, the more I like what it does for Thor and Loki’s arc.
Thor now has two siblings who became his antagonists because of his father keeping secrets – hiding Loki’s heritage, and then hiding Hela’s existence. Which re-enforces how damaging that habit of lying and secrecy is to Asgard’s growth, as represented by Thor. Having those secrets come out and be faced is necessary for Thor’s development and maturity – confronting the sins of his father.
And for Loki – when Loki tries and fails to be a hero, he becomes a villain. He always measures himself against Thor, and then casts himself as Thor’s opposite. But with Hela showing up, suddenly the role of bad guy has been usurped by another sibling; he’s no longer the baddest Asgardian, or even the baddest of Odin’s kids. His sins are now in a whole new context, where his misdeeds are frankly small potatoes. He’s not only been outstripped as a hero by his sibling – he’s been outstripped as a villain. And that forces him to find some other measure of identity; not wholly good, not wholly evil, but something in between – something new.
Also, it re-enforces their brotherhood in an interesting way. Hela is Asgardian. Hela is Thor’s blood sibling (or at least half-sibling). And Hela is still awful. In that light, Loki can no longer ascribe his wickedness to his heritage – he isn’t evil because of some innate genetic factor, or because he isn’t Asgardian, since Hela is clearly capable of that evil despite being raised on Asgard and having Odin’s genes. And while Hela and Thor share blood, they have no kinship to speak of. Thor and Loki do, despite the lack of blood relation. They snipe and bicker like brothers throughout, and there are callbacks to their childhood and past together (the snake story, ‘get help’).
Hela’s appearance as Thor’s sister lends new context to both Thor and Loki’s relationship with each other and their family, and I think it gives us, as fandom, a lot of fresh material to play with as far as our boys’ character growth moving forward.
Scene from ‘Thor: Ragnarok’ (2017) // This is such an important moment for Loki. A LOT of Ragnarok posts coming up over the week people.
I have such a love/hate relationship with the trope of a father figure announcing a blanket “I love you” to a formerly estranged child. Because really? It brings nothing, solves nothing and helps nothing after decades of conflict that the parental figure was mostly directly responsible for. And yet I know I’m supposed to have warm feelings about it because I’m being fed the standard shortcut trope to insta-family love and it’s an improvement over “your birthright was to die” -which was the last conversation Odin had with Loki prior to this gifset.
Better tag @sarah1281 on this one because it was her comment. I do think Loki had some culpability – maybe not in Odin’s death as such, but in the manner of it, and of course the fact that he didn’t have the opportunity to warn them about Hela. But no, I don’t think Loki killed Odin. I think Odin was very old and tired, had been putting off Odinsleep too much, and was devastated by the death of Frigga, his companion, advisor, and love. I suspect that he was also hollowed out by his thorough failure with Loki, and the fact that Loki was so angry with him that he was willing to wipe his memory, banish him, and usurp the throne. To the extent that that’s the case, Loki is indirectly responsible, but I do think it’s also Odin’s recognition of his own failure, which isn’t exactly Loki’s fault.
(( 1) This version of the interaction with the fangirls was perfect and a wasted opportunity not to use xD (bless that gif)
2) Hobo Odin, also a wasted opportunity, it’s what fans have been screaming for in comment sections since TTDW came out four years ago
3) Doc making sure that they found Odin, so they’ll go away again, but then leaving cause it’s safe to assume that not much more is gonna happen, now that they’ve found him, just dumping them in norway wouldn’t satisfy Stephen’s thorough careful nature (as a surgeon, and as the A+ student of the mystic arts that he is), it’d be foolish to just lead them to where their father is without making sure to have their reaffirmation that they ARE GOING TO LEAVE NOW (rather than y’know like sit down on a rock on a cliff and have a lil chat about life and death and that long lost sister that has never before been mentionned ever who is very dangerous and also will show up here in like a minute, after Odin’s corpse just fucking evaporates, WHAT KINDA FUCKING CORPSES JUST FUCKING EVAPORATE?? (-actual quote from my AoT rant back in the day xD))
4) having Odin actually have a purpose related to the subject of the movie (which is the event of Ragnarok not the people bringing it about, whoever they might end up being), in that he’s the one telling them about the approaching end, (cause you know he’s the all-father and he’s supposed to like protect Asgard, so if he senses Ragnarok coming, he’ll try to warn people,) rather than Surtur who’s not supposed to have anything to do with the main story at this point, he’s only a random monster Thor fought at the beginning, our audience doesn’t know that he’s got something to do with Ragnarok in the comics, SET UP AND REVEAL, literally the basics of storytelling omfg (*breathes*) ))
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I love the thought that sometime between 2013-2014 in the MCU when everyone was too busy dealing with varying human science experiments, no one noticed the Bifrost poof out a nondescript (but elegant) man pushing his dad in a wheelchair to a care home. At the least he probably grabbed a coffee and laughed at the news.
Loki is the Philosopher King 