foundlingmother:

zombiecheetah:

beheworthy:

The lowering of the gaze – the difference between the two.

This whole comparison reads like a John Mulaney joke.

“So I could never understand how someone would want to take over a planet. Like how could someone just go to someone else’s planet and try to rule it. And then I met his dad and I was like, “Oh, okay. I’m not going to do it, but I totally get it now.”

The one thing good that came out of Loki discovering the truth about being Jotunn? No more lowering his gaze when Odin speaks. It still hurts, but Odin saying that validates every thought Loki’s had about how Odin screwed him over. Compare “Your birthright was to die!” to “You were both born to be kings.” Daddy dearest lost all authority over Loki.

The same thing happens to Thor after Ragnarok. Hela and Odin’s past reveal that there’s no worthiness to be gained in respecting Odin’s authority or leadership example. Thor’s free to be a good man and a king. Those no longer need be necessarily at odds to facilitate idolizing his father.

You’re right about Loki in TDW. I wish you were right about Thor in Ragnarok, but the movie isn’t that deep or even self-consistent: Odin still appears to Thor in a vision to offer him wisdom and Thor says that he’s not as strong as Odin was. I think Ragnarok was just ignoring that “good man vs. great king” line the way it ignored most of the rest of the previous films.