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Tag: mcu
have you ever thought about the fact that since thor and loki are like 1000 years old the events of the entire marvel cinematic universe so far has probably been the equivalent of like…..two really, really bad weeks
this is why they can’t die in Infinity War tho. They are bigger than this. I want them to live and go on some cool space adventures with Guardians. Or alone. Or just settle and…
I want nothing more than for Thor, Loki, and Valkyrie to have Star Trek style space adventures. I want a floating spaceship kingdom with Thor ruling with his brother equally and for Valkyrie to find a hot alien wife. I want them to go on a thousand year hilariously indulgent romp through the cosmos. Please.
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You seem so sure in your tags that Loki will die in IW? Can I ask why?
Oh lots and lots of reasons.
Narratively it makes sense from the footage we’ve seen so far. Thanos’s ship shows up at the Ark at the end of Ragnarok, then from IW footage we see a bunch of dead Asgardians, we see Thor about to get crushed by Thanos, we see Loki offering up the Tesseract…then Thor gets picked up by the GOTG floating through space and looking all burnt and stuff. Plus from The Avengers we know that Thanos is probably pretty pretty pretty pissed at him.
Combined with the rumor that someone dies in the first five minutes, it’s not hard to guess who that might be.
From a utilitarian standpoint it makes sense too. There are SO MANY characters in IW, and there is no way they’re going to want to focus screen time on a secondary/tertiary character who’s not even a hero. It makes more sense to get him out of the way as soon as possible. Even more so when you consider that Loki is such a wild card…just his PRESENCE in Thor’s vision in Ultron was enough to confuse people and make them think he was behind everything and they had to get rid of it…best to just fridge him in IW.
From a “Hollywood” villain redemption standpoint it also makes sense. Hollywood doesn’t know how to redeem bad guys without killing them. They’ve been trying to make Loki more of a good guy, and what better way to complete that journey than to have him killed by Thanos while trying to save Thor’s life.
Also Loki is in practically none of the promo stuff, just the one shot of him with the Tesseract, and the only other bit we’ve seen of him was from filming a bit for Avengers 4 that was clearly a flashback or some kind of time travel to the past, which makes me suspect it’s because he’s just not in most of it.
Anyway, I WILL BE ABSOLUTELY ECSTATIC IF I’M WRONG.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ugh, I hate that your reasoning is so convincing. I haven’t heard the rumor that someone dies in the first 5 minutes, though. Where did that come from? And what about the thing Feige said about Loki being allied with Thanos in Infinity War? That would be a really misleading way of characterizing “he hands over the Tesseract and gets killed immediately afterward.” (It would still be misleading, but somewhat more conventionally so, if the situation is what I hope it is: Loki pretends to be helping Thanos, but is planning to betray him.)
I’m somewhat inclined to think that they’d only be doing the flashback in Avengers 4 to Loki’s arrest at the end of The Avengers if Loki was still around and they were trying to clarify something about his motivations or his relationship with the Avengers. I could be wrong, but otherwise I’m not sure what the significance of the flashback would be.
If they are planning to kill him by having him sacrifice himself to save Thor and/or stop Thanos, I wonder if they have plans to bring in a Kid Loki. @sexualthorientation‘s recent posts have been making me want to see Timothée Chalamet as an adolescent Loki, Agent of Asgard…
I kind of assumed that the “flashback” was actually someone using the Time Stone to go back in time and maybe grab the Tesseract in the past…there have also been pictures of Tony with gray hair, which makes me suspect Time Stone fuckery…Loki’s arrest would be a good time to grab it since it was nicely contained in that little canister thingy, and his presence would just be incidental. Anyway, mostly baseless speculation.
I would bet a substantial sum of money that they have absolutely no plans for Loki in the movies beyond this at all, and that Kid Loki will not be making any kind of appearance. I’d even be surprised to see Thor after these two Avengers movies.
Aw, shit, the time travel thing didn’t occur to me. God damn it. I still really hope you’re wrong, and I’m clinging to the Feige statement.
You’re probably right about Kid Loki, I was just fantasizing for a bit there…
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A note about intertextuality
Here is a basic interpretive principle that I think is generally agreed upon in literary scholarship: if Text A makes a reference to Text B, then you can use Text B to gain a better, fuller understanding of Text A. You do have to use your judgment to figure out which elements of Text B are relevant, but it’s just good interpretive practice – not “headcanon” or “fanfiction” – to use Text B as a lens through which to view Text A.
If you know something about Norse mythology and/or the Thor comics, you will have a better understanding of the MCU Thor films. You can understand them on one level if you don’t have the background of the texts they reference, but your understanding will be shallower (or, as my advisor prefers, narrower). You can understand the first Thor film on one level without knowing anything about Shakespeare, but you won’t appreciate all of its complexity.
People who insist that the only things relevant to the interpretation of the films are the films themselves, and you’re supposed to ignore all the other texts in the background*, might be extreme modernist formalists obsessed with the purity of the text (or maybe with the Protestant/democratic principle that any schmuck can read a text just as well as someone with a broad literary education). But it’s far more likely that they’re just bad readers.
* Except the internet commentariat’s version of Maori culture, apparently. That’s relevant; Norse mythology isn’t.
I love the thought that sometime between 2013-2014 in the MCU when everyone was too busy dealing with varying human science experiments, no one noticed the Bifrost poof out a nondescript (but elegant) man pushing his dad in a wheelchair to a care home. At the least he probably grabbed a coffee and laughed at the news.
Thor, Loki and ‘The Warriors three’ attempt to travel to Jotunheim via the bifrost, ‘Thor’ (2011) // Loki’s face in that last gif makes me so sad. Like I love Thor, and he has developed so much as a character, but it is clear in this first film that sometimes he let his role of heir to the throne over cloud his actions towards his brother, and he probably was quite bossy.
Hey, @foundlingmother, let’s see if I can start a food fight…
Looks like you’ve mostly got a consensus of opinion in these notes. And here I was ready with a spoon full of mashed potatoes.
It looks like it just hasn’t reached the people who would disagree. Most likely none of them follow me, so the right combination of people would have to reblog for those mashed potatoes to become useful.
Loki is the Philosopher King 