pennie-dreadful:

philosopherking1887:

sserpente:

lolawashere:

Loki, the God of Mischief – MCU 10th Anniversary Featurette.

Review Loki’s evil and heroic turns, from colluding with cosmic villains to teaming up with his brother Thor to save the universe.

Via Torrilla/weibo

The next… chapter? Did Tom just secretly confirm that Loki isn’t dead after all?!

I’m still skeptical. It could be a very short “chapter,” and the sense in which it “honors what has come before” might just be that Loki is a boring “good guy” now and recognizes that his only purpose in life is to sacrifice himself for Thor (again). And he does say “it will be surprising for the audience in terms of what they expect next” – which could be code for, “Surprise! He dies in the first 5 minutes, way more stupidly than you ever would have expected him to, and that’s it for your favorite character.”

Yeah I am extremely skeptical that this “you’ll be surprised” nonsense is anything but a red herring. I’m still not 100% certain we’ll even see Loki in A4; has anyone seen any other set pictures besides the one? Remember he was supposed to have a cameo in AoU and that ended up getting cut. I’m maintaining a zero faith policy tbh, all this theorizing is frankly giving Marvel too much credit. Maybe the new fan campaign to bring Loki back will work, maybe it won’t, but odds are even if it does they’ll just let writers/directors who don’t like him or understand him continue to butcher his character.

Oh yeah, fair point about the AoU scene. And I completely agree about the zero faith policy. Except for “Spider-Man” and “Black Panther,” all the MCU movies that have come out since 2016 have been huge disappointments. And I absolutely do not trust anyone there with Loki’s character.

Philosophy in “Infinity War” Part I: Thanos vs. Ultron

As promised, I’m going to start talking about some of the philosophical issues raised in Avengers: Infinity War, and this first one gives me an opportunity to discuss something I’ve meant to for a while: why I find Ultron so interesting. Spoilers and long discussion are under the cut.

We find out in IW that Thanos wants to kill half of the living things in the universe because of his views about overpopulation and scarcity, which align with those of Thomas Malthus: that populations will always tend to expand beyond the means of society to provide for them, resulting in poverty, disease, and conflict. Malthus, of course, never proposed mass murder as a way to prevent these terrible outcomes, though he did think that famine and war, as the natural consequences of overpopulation, were God’s and/or nature’s way of correcting the problem – and of (futilely) cautioning humanity against reproducing beyond its means. We also find out that Thanos arrived at these views based on harsh experience: his home planet, Titan, experienced ecological catastrophe as a result of overpopulation. Thanos warned his people as the catastrophe approached and proposed his solution – random culling of the population – but he was, of course, dismissed as a madman. He now lives (sometimes) on the lifeless, desert-like ruins of Titan, applies his solution to planets that he thinks are reproducing beyond their means – including Gamora’s home planet – and seeks the Infinity Stones so that he can apply it to the universe as a whole.

It seems obvious to me – and should be obvious to him – that this is only a temporary solution. He claims that the standard of living on Gamora’s home planet improved dramatically after he halved its population; but if that’s the case, then unless Thanos was also distributing free birth control and family planning education, people would just take advantage of their new prosperity to have more children. Maybe with all the Infinity Stones in the Gauntlet, he envisioned himself or one of his disciples doing The Snap every few centuries?

I’ve seen some commentary suggesting that Thanos’s outlook is only comprehensible or even remotely sympathetic from a very pro-capitalist standpoint which ignores the fact that capitalism generates artificial scarcity. There’s certainly something to that criticism; “Malthusian” views are usually dismissed in the same breath as “social Darwinism” as artifacts of 19th-century and/or mid-20th-century elitist, racist, greed-driven ideology. I think there’s a reason Titan’s demise was depicted as an ecological catastrophe, considering the looming threat of climate change. Burning fossil fuels was a major part of how humanity harnessed the energy resources to be able to overcome natural scarcity, and now it’s biting us in the ass. That said, the technological advances that were enabled by the burning of fossil fuels for energy would probably enable us to stop burning fossil fuels if not for vested financial interests. And since population growth declines dramatically as societies become better educated and have more gender equality, it seems like it should be possible to stabilize a planet’s population so that it never exceeds the ecosystem’s ability to sustain it without resorting to mass murder. So yes, Thanos’s perspective and imagination seem extremely limited, and he’s drawing the wrong lesson from what happened to Titan. I guess he’s just really pessimistic about any society’s ability to overcome greed and education inequality…?

Thanos’s philosophical reasons for supporting mass murder of course call to mind another villain with philosophical reasons for mass murder (indeed, specicide, if that’s a word): Ultron. Predictably, I think Ultron makes much better points than Thanos does because they’re founded on observations about human nature rather than speculation about economic necessity. From looking at all of recorded human history, Ultron concludes that humanity has no moral right to exist because human beings have always, everywhere, been horrible to each other. If we solved all the scarcity problems that motivate Thanos, that would probably cut down on violence, but it would not eliminate it. I’m not at all sure that it’s possible to civilize human beings to the point that violence, small-scale or large-scale, never happens. That’s why Ultron says that humanity “needs to evolve”: human nature would have to change fundamentally in order to prevent the horrors that have littered human history.

Of course there’s a moral question here: is it morally right to eliminate a kind of being whose existence is, on the whole, an evil, or does it incur rights simply in virtue of existing? Pretty clearly, Ultron (like Thanos) is making a utilitarian calculation: cause a moderate amount of suffering in the short term in order to prevent a greater amount of suffering over the long term. But is that an acceptable trade-off, when those who enjoy the benefits are not the same as those who bear the costs? This issue – consequentialist vs. deontological (i.e., rights-based, rule-based) ethics – is the same one that’s explored in Watchmen, where Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias represents consequentialism and Rorschach (Mr. Black and White) represents deontology. In the MCU, Tony seems to represent the consequentialist perspective while Steve represents the deontologist; this is especially clear in IW with all that “we don’t trade lives” stuff (which I’ll have to discuss in more detail later). I myself don’t come down on either side all the time; I think it depends on the scale of decision-making. When you’re in a position of authority over large numbers of people, you’re going to have to make some consequentialist calculations; but in small-scale interpersonal interactions, you should operate like a deontologist. Tony thinks on the large scale and in the long term; Steve treats everything like an interpersonal interaction. But even on the large scale, there are times when consequentialist calculations lead to (what seem to us like) horrific conclusions. Tony has a human moral compass that allows him to avoid those; Ultron represents Tony’s consequentialist instincts writ large, with no human emotions to keep them in check. But there’s another question here: are our emotions a moral correcting mechanism, or do they impair our judgment? Would machines actually be better moral reasoners than human beings?

Ultron’s conclusion also raises a couple of interesting issues from a specifically Nietzschean perspective: one (meta)ethical and one metaphysical. (I’m not sure whether it’s a coincidence that Ultron quotes Nietzsche: “Like the man said, ‘Whatever doesn’t kill me only makes me stronger.’”) The (meta)ethical issue (I’m calling it that because it doesn’t fit cleanly into either normative ethics or metaethics as practiced in contemporary philosophy, which is clearly a limitation of contemporary philosophy) is the one that motivates Nietzsche’s main philosophical project: If the (Christian-descended) morality of compassion and altruism – a morality that says that suffering and domination are the most terrible things, constituting an argument against the existence of anything that perpetuates them – leads us to the conclusion that humanity, or life in general, ought not to exist, then why should we buy into the morality of compassion? One man’s modus ponens is another man’s modus tollens – which, in English, translates to: one person who sees that a set of premises leads to a conclusion will just accept the conclusion; but another, finding the conclusion unacceptable, will instead reject one of the premises. Ultron, it seems, does not know how to reject the premise of the morality of compassion – and that is almost certainly because it’s part of what Tony and Bruce programmed into him. His purpose was to protect human beings from suffering and domination by preventing alien invasion; the assumption that violence, war, and conquest are bad is fundamental to his very existence. Put in the facts of human history – which make the prospects for an end to these things seem very dim – and consequentialist reasoning rules, and you get the conclusion he in fact comes to.

Vision seems to express a quasi-Nietzschean attitude in his conversation with Ultron toward the end: “Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites, and try to control what won’t be. But there is grace in their failings. … A thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.” It’s interesting to me that Vision uses aesthetic terms in defense of humanity rather than moral ones. That’s another theme you find throughout Nietzsche’s writings. In The Birth of Tragedy (1872) he claims (under the influence of Wagner), “it is only as an aesthetic phenomenon that existence and the world are eternally justified”; by The Gay Science (1882), he has retreated to “As an aesthetic phenomenon existence is still bearable for us.” The world is not and cannot be good by the standards of the morality of compassion; suffering and exploitation are woven into its very fabric. The same is very likely true of humanity (and Nietzsche also thinks we wouldn’t like the result if humanity ever became entirely “good” in that sense…). If we judge them only by the standards of morality, they will always fall short; we must conclude that they are, on the whole, bad things, things that should not be. But humanity and existence can still be aesthetically interesting, even beautiful, in their mix of good and evil, smart and stupid, order and chaos.

The metaphysical question is: in what sense does the replacement of carbon-based human animals by robots count as an “evolution” of humanity rather than simply its extinction and the ascendance of something completely different? The movie encourages us to think about inheritance and legacy in nonstandard ways, most obviously by framing Ultron as Tony’s “child”: Ultron has learned some things from Tony and inherited some things from him via programming – and we are now accustomed to thinking of genetics as a kind of natural “programming.” Tony even calls Ultron “Junior” and says “You’re going to break your old man’s heart.” By extension, then, AI is the “child” of humanity in general, its “brainchild” – an expression that reflects how common procreation and childbirth metaphors are in talk of intellectual creativity (that’s all over the place in Nietzsche’s writing, btw). But the extreme difference between biological humanity and its AI “descendants” highlights a distinctively Nietzschean theme: the idea that success, for a species, is not a matter of its persistence in the same form, but of its “self-overcoming” (that’s an ideal that comes up a lot, for individuals as well as cultures and species). Often this means that the majority will have to perish, while only an unusual few survive: the mutants, the evolutionary vanguard (LOL, there’s another Marvel franchise…), the ones who are better adapted to changing conditions rather than the old environment that the species had previously been adapted for. The successor species might look very different from its progenitor species, even unrecognizable, but the former is still the legacy of the latter. What’s important is the survival of a lineage rather than the persistence of a type.

philosopherking1887:

My ranking of MCU movies

Maybe I’ll add more commentary later, but for now here’s the numbered ranking, best to worst:

  1. The Avengers (2012)
  2. Black Panther (2018)
  3. Thor (2011)
  4. Iron Man (2008)
  5. Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
  6. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
  7. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
  8. Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
  9. Thor: The Dark World (2013)
  10. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
  11. Iron Man 3 (2013)
  12. Ant-Man (2015)
  13. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
  14. Doctor Strange (2016)
  15. Iron Man 2 (2010)
  16. Captain America: Civil War (2016)
  17. The Incredible Hulk (2008)
  18. Thor: Ragnarok (2017)

Pretty standard, with a few notable exceptions: everyone else hates AOU, but I really like it; everyone loves CA: TWS, CA: CW, and TR (except a few of my friends), but I thought the first was meh and the latter two were characterization disasters. Maybe considered on its own (if that were even possible) TR isn’t the worst MCU movie; I’m judging it as a sequel, which it was supposed to be.

Any thoughts, @fuckyeahrichardiii? Or any rearrangements you want to try to talk me into?

I was looking for patterns in my own ranking and I noticed that a sequel never ranks higher than the first installment in a series (considering the ensemble Avengers movies as their own series rather than as sequels to the individual heroes’ movies). This is interestingly different from the common pattern with other superhero/sci-fi trilogies such as the original Star Wars, the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies, the Christopher Nolan Batman movies, and the original and new X-Men movies, where the first is good, the second is better, and the third is (to a greater or lesser degree) disappointing.

Why is shuri suddenly the most intelligent character in mcu? Definitely most intelligent human but why most intelligent character? Did I watch the same movies as rest of them? Because I have watched every mcu movie.

Why not? Maybe Vision should be more intelligent in some respects, because he’s some cross between the magical intelligence of the Mind Stone and the advanced artificial intelligence of JARVIS, but there are also paradoxes involved in understanding your own thinking apparatus… I don’t know. Even if, e.g., Loki is more intelligent in virtue of having had a lot longer to acquire and consolidate information, he definitely wouldn’t be on hand in this situation.

rdowneyjrfan:

rdjnews:

RDJ: Toughest part in being Iron Man are the close-up shots.

In an exclusive interview with Yahoo! Movies, in preparation for the release of the second Iron Man 3 trailer, Robert Downey Jr. says the toughest part of playing Iron Man is filming scenes with the “Heads Up Display” view, which allows viewers to see Downey’s face up close whenever Tony Stark dons the metal suit.  

From Yahoo:

“When you do the HUD work, usually it’s kind of the last thing in the schedule,” Downey said. “And you’re going back and essentially living the movie again in close-up, tired.”
Basically, Downey has to relive all of the action scenes in the movie they already shot and deliver the same level of intensity even though he’s standing still and there’s nothing for him to actually react to. That includes performing some of his most emotional scenes, like in The Avengers when he is unable to contact Pepper (Gwyneth Paltrow) while he is flying to what he believes will be his death.
Downey explained it this way:  “I don’t like, [as himself] ‘All right. What’s happening now?’ [as the director] ‘Oh, the most important woman in your life is falling off crane into a fiery pit. Okay? So, let’s just rehearse once and then we’ll do it about 10 or 12 times until the camera is right and you’ve given enough.’ They’re just screaming direction at you… I like the scenes. I like the action.”

(Source: Yahoo!)

This is why Robert deserves an Oscar. He is literally acting without anything to react to essentially. Wow. Respect