On top of all the bullshit reasons for what happened in the first ten minutes of IW the Russos are saying Tom is getting too old to play Loki?
Tom Hiddleston is getting TOO OLD to play Loki?
Thor
The Avengers
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers 4 (on set filming)
Yeah…there is a HUGE difference in his looks thanks to his age *rolls eyes* Fucking idiots. Killing off a beloved character and a huge fan favorite not only for stupid reasons that reduce his character to a mere shadow behind Thor but because Tom is getting “too old” is idiotic. I feel awful for Tom Hiddleston because that is insulting. On top of that they even mention how it upset Tom to find out what happened to Loki (a character he genuinely loves).
All of the actors are aging and their ages quite often don’t match up with their characters. I’m not saying that because I want those characters to get killed off but I’m pointing out the ridiculousness of that statement. Why not just admit you didn’t know what to do with the character in IW and decided to take an easy out by sacrificing him and then milking the fan’s love of the character/actor during promotions? Loki didn’t need to die and he certainly didn’t need to die like that. A story doesn’t come full circle only when the character has been brutally murdered and that character certainly shouldn’t be killed as some kind of twisted motivation for Thor. Death isn’t the only motivation. It’s a cheap, easy motivation and Loki’s character deserves more.
This better be a bunch of bullshit to throw everyone off of Avengers 4 and not the actual truth. Also, because I can, someone started a petition for Loki. Fans managed to bring him back in Thor: The Dark World…why not again?
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I am counting on those leaked pics from A4 as actually being in the film. And if they go back in time to the first Avengers to unwind what Thanos did then they can DAMN WELL unwind Loki’s ‘death’ as well. He’s a god, for fuck’s sake.
Except they won’t undo Loki’s death because they want him to stay dead. They’ll taunt his fans with this little flashback, maybe allow us to hope they’ll actually give him a meaningful role in the next movie so that maybe we’ll buy movie tickets, and then yank it away again because we’re not the fans they’re looking for. If Thor wonders why they can’t turn time back far enough to save Loki, Heimdall, and half of Asgard, Doctor Strange or Hank Pym or Captain Marvel or someone will say something cryptic about how they can only defeat Thanos if those people stay dead, or how it would be disastrous to cause too much disruption to the fabric of spacetime, or some similar bullshit. But it’s just as likely that Thor won’t ask. They wanted to fridge Loki and Heimdall to give Thor the proper “motivation,” to have him appropriately desperate and desolate, but they probably won’t even think to have him try to save the people he lost.
The age thing was just a flimsy excuse. They were filming IW and A4 concurrently, so Hiddleston wouldn’t be any older if they left him alive in the latter. No one was saying that he had to keep appearing in MCU movies forever, but killing a character violently isn’t the only way to take them out of future films. They just don’t care about giving a plausible or satisfying end to his character arc.
So Marvel is saying Using Loki’s death as revenge motivation for Thor. Wasn’t the story going that Loki had been tortured and tormented by Thanos into attacking New York, and the fact that this was done to his brother couldn’t have been enough motivation for Thor? No, they had to just brutally kill him off and get him out of the picture because they’re at a loss as to what to do with him. Those brilliant minds at Marvel.
Agree, plus, even if we go by the way of Thor’s character arc, his personal growth came from him setting aside his revenge fantasies and laying down his life for the protection of people of Puente Antiguo. From laying aside his sense of superiority and becoming a team member of Avengers to protect Earth. Heck, even in Ragnarok, Thor was hell-bent on returning to Asgard to protect its people from Hela. Why did they have to destroy it and make personal revenge the only ‘worthy’ motivation for him?
I find it infinitely sad that ‘heroes’ would need it to be ‘personal’ before they muster the motivation to do the right thing and fight the big bad to protect innocent lives. It is pathetic, uninspired writing indeed.
First of all, here’s the link so that you can listen for yourself if you want. And to avoid confusion about what the hell everyone is talking about.
This confirms what I’ve thought since I first saw Infinity War: that the “No resurrections this time” line was coming directly from the creators rather than just from Thanos; that the filmmakers are tired of Loki, don’t understand why fans (especially fans who aren’t members of their straight cis male target audience) find him so interesting, and are perfectly happy to disregard character in order to use him as a plot device. And they really do sound smug about it; it’s like they’re glad to be rid of this unexpected favorite of the silly fangirls whose money they’ll happily take but whose affection they don’t really want (God forbid these movies should be mistaken for chick flicks!).
Loki’s death was in no way intended to serve his character arc, regardless of what people say about how it shows that he’s redeemed himself (gotta have that good old redemption through death) and is now willing to die for Thor (which he already showed he was in TDW, ignoring Ragnarok’s retcon that he deliberately faked it). His death was made as quick and violent as possible to build up Thanos as a villain – which, btw, doesn’t even work if “the reigning villain of the Marvel Universe” has to be acting uncharacteristically stupid for Thanos to be able to kill him – and to get Thor to a place where he’s lost everything. Again. Because that totally hasn’t been done before in the first Thor movie and again in Thor: Ragnarok. In short, Loki was fridged, and not even in a plausible or helpful way.
I guess I must have been giving some credence to the theories of why Loki is still alive or will come back, because this confirmation makes me feel sick. I don’t know if I’m going to boycott the MCU entirely… but I’m definitely going to make an effort to watch the things I want to watch without paying. And I’m definitely not going to see Avengers 4 until I know what they end up doing with Loki, why there’s that flashback, etc.
I haven’t listened to the whole thing yet but in regards to the opening scene, They emphasized the “no resurrection this time” line and Josh said “that was a very important line” and they said “YES”. Means to me that all of these theories that Loki is alive are a waste.
They also said basically they killed Heimdall and Loki to take everything away from Thor and give him motivation to be the hero, but then also to make it personal so he made the mistake of wanting revenge on Thanos and not to just kill him- to have that moment to say that “I told you I’d get you” which was Thor’s mistake and allowed Thanos to do the snap. Both Thor and Quill allowed their personal feelings of anger and revenge overtake them and ruin their actual chance to defeat Thanos.
So basically they tossed Loki away in a way that was totally out of character just to make Thor more sympathetic. I love Thor and all but that is horseshit.
So the black and queer coded characters are used for the white, male power fantasy’s development. Yeah, fuck them. I ain’t seeing 4.
Black, queer coded and female characters. Yup.
Loki, Heimdall, and Gamora all got fridged. Real original, guys. Such revolutionary filmmaking.
At least Frigga died being badass. Loki died being an idiot. They just wanted to get him out of the way as quickly as possible, character consistency be damned.
i’m laughing so hard not even because of the whole ‘hiddleston too old’ thing but
they kill off loki and heimdall
to give thor movitation
thor
who is a god and a king and an avenger and represents all that is good
and is the epitome of protectiveness
… yeah i can totally imagine how thor finds out about a guy who 1. tortured his beloved brother 2. wants to murder half the universe 3. can actually do it
and thor is just like yeah i think i’m gonna sit this one out
To be fair (?), it sounded like Thanos crushed his windpipe and/or broke his neck, so it wasn’t just suffocation that killed him.
Crushing the trachea leads to death by suffocation. Breaking the spinal cord that high up also leads to death by suffocation since the muscles responsable for breathing are no longer activated by the brain. It’s suffocation all around, believe me.
I think we should assume that Asgardians will suffocate eventually if deprived of air, but I guess they can survive for longer in space than ordinary mortal beings. But I guess there’s no reason why Loki died instantly, other than (1) a prolonged death after that would have been even more gruesome; (2) are you sure breaking the neck doesn’t do anything else? ‘cause I know death by hanging is better if the drop is sharp enough to break your neck rather than slowly getting choked by the rope; and (3) they really, really wanted to kill Loki quickly and in a nasty way because they hate him and his fans.
Loki is the Philosopher King 