Better tag @sarah1281 on this one because it was her comment. I do think Loki had some culpability – maybe not in Odin’s death as such, but in the manner of it, and of course the fact that he didn’t have the opportunity to warn them about Hela. But no, I don’t think Loki killed Odin. I think Odin was very old and tired, had been putting off Odinsleep too much, and was devastated by the death of Frigga, his companion, advisor, and love. I suspect that he was also hollowed out by his thorough failure with Loki, and the fact that Loki was so angry with him that he was willing to wipe his memory, banish him, and usurp the throne. To the extent that that’s the case, Loki is indirectly responsible, but I do think it’s also Odin’s recognition of his own failure, which isn’t exactly Loki’s fault.
Tag: loki
Burdened with glorious purpose ✨
Loki: That’d go against my moral compass.
Thor: Your moral compass is a fucking roulette wheel, Loki.
have you ever thought about the fact that since thor and loki are like 1000 years old the events of the entire marvel cinematic universe so far has probably been the equivalent of like…..two really, really bad weeks
this is why they can’t die in Infinity War tho. They are bigger than this. I want them to live and go on some cool space adventures with Guardians. Or alone. Or just settle and…
I want nothing more than for Thor, Loki, and Valkyrie to have Star Trek style space adventures. I want a floating spaceship kingdom with Thor ruling with his brother equally and for Valkyrie to find a hot alien wife. I want them to go on a thousand year hilariously indulgent romp through the cosmos. Please.
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#same old odin
I couldn’t jeopardize my position with the Grandmaster. It took me time to win his trust. He’s a lunatic, but he can be amenable.
The White World
The difference between us: you have a glorious future before you and I had a fraudulent future behind me.
Asgard should be the background, However, i don’t how to paint it….
You seem so sure in your tags that Loki will die in IW? Can I ask why?
Oh lots and lots of reasons.
Narratively it makes sense from the footage we’ve seen so far. Thanos’s ship shows up at the Ark at the end of Ragnarok, then from IW footage we see a bunch of dead Asgardians, we see Thor about to get crushed by Thanos, we see Loki offering up the Tesseract…then Thor gets picked up by the GOTG floating through space and looking all burnt and stuff. Plus from The Avengers we know that Thanos is probably pretty pretty pretty pissed at him.
Combined with the rumor that someone dies in the first five minutes, it’s not hard to guess who that might be.
From a utilitarian standpoint it makes sense too. There are SO MANY characters in IW, and there is no way they’re going to want to focus screen time on a secondary/tertiary character who’s not even a hero. It makes more sense to get him out of the way as soon as possible. Even more so when you consider that Loki is such a wild card…just his PRESENCE in Thor’s vision in Ultron was enough to confuse people and make them think he was behind everything and they had to get rid of it…best to just fridge him in IW.
From a “Hollywood” villain redemption standpoint it also makes sense. Hollywood doesn’t know how to redeem bad guys without killing them. They’ve been trying to make Loki more of a good guy, and what better way to complete that journey than to have him killed by Thanos while trying to save Thor’s life.
Also Loki is in practically none of the promo stuff, just the one shot of him with the Tesseract, and the only other bit we’ve seen of him was from filming a bit for Avengers 4 that was clearly a flashback or some kind of time travel to the past, which makes me suspect it’s because he’s just not in most of it.
Anyway, I WILL BE ABSOLUTELY ECSTATIC IF I’M WRONG.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ugh, I hate that your reasoning is so convincing. I haven’t heard the rumor that someone dies in the first 5 minutes, though. Where did that come from? And what about the thing Feige said about Loki being allied with Thanos in Infinity War? That would be a really misleading way of characterizing “he hands over the Tesseract and gets killed immediately afterward.” (It would still be misleading, but somewhat more conventionally so, if the situation is what I hope it is: Loki pretends to be helping Thanos, but is planning to betray him.)
I’m somewhat inclined to think that they’d only be doing the flashback in Avengers 4 to Loki’s arrest at the end of The Avengers if Loki was still around and they were trying to clarify something about his motivations or his relationship with the Avengers. I could be wrong, but otherwise I’m not sure what the significance of the flashback would be.
If they are planning to kill him by having him sacrifice himself to save Thor and/or stop Thanos, I wonder if they have plans to bring in a Kid Loki. @sexualthorientation‘s recent posts have been making me want to see Timothée Chalamet as an adolescent Loki, Agent of Asgard…
I kind of assumed that the “flashback” was actually someone using the Time Stone to go back in time and maybe grab the Tesseract in the past…there have also been pictures of Tony with gray hair, which makes me suspect Time Stone fuckery…Loki’s arrest would be a good time to grab it since it was nicely contained in that little canister thingy, and his presence would just be incidental. Anyway, mostly baseless speculation.
I would bet a substantial sum of money that they have absolutely no plans for Loki in the movies beyond this at all, and that Kid Loki will not be making any kind of appearance. I’d even be surprised to see Thor after these two Avengers movies.
Aw, shit, the time travel thing didn’t occur to me. God damn it. I still really hope you’re wrong, and I’m clinging to the Feige statement.
You’re probably right about Kid Loki, I was just fantasizing for a bit there…
just randomly want to point out they made a costume continuity error in those flashback scenes for av.4. loki is not wearing the shoulder pads / cloak and the pauldrons when he’s first in the muzzle at the end of avengers. not sure if it’s significant in any way, just wanted to point this out to someone.
You would think, with all the money and resources that go into these movies, that they could have someone go back and watch that scene to check what Loki was wearing… Though I think he still had the cape when he said the “I’ll have that drink now” line. You’d think he would have vanished it soon after that, the way he did when he surrendered in Stuttgart…
You seem so sure in your tags that Loki will die in IW? Can I ask why?
Oh lots and lots of reasons.
Narratively it makes sense from the footage we’ve seen so far. Thanos’s ship shows up at the Ark at the end of Ragnarok, then from IW footage we see a bunch of dead Asgardians, we see Thor about to get crushed by Thanos, we see Loki offering up the Tesseract…then Thor gets picked up by the GOTG floating through space and looking all burnt and stuff. Plus from The Avengers we know that Thanos is probably pretty pretty pretty pissed at him.
Combined with the rumor that someone dies in the first five minutes, it’s not hard to guess who that might be.
From a utilitarian standpoint it makes sense too. There are SO MANY characters in IW, and there is no way they’re going to want to focus screen time on a secondary/tertiary character who’s not even a hero. It makes more sense to get him out of the way as soon as possible. Even more so when you consider that Loki is such a wild card…just his PRESENCE in Thor’s vision in Ultron was enough to confuse people and make them think he was behind everything and they had to get rid of it…best to just fridge him in IW.
From a “Hollywood” villain redemption standpoint it also makes sense. Hollywood doesn’t know how to redeem bad guys without killing them. They’ve been trying to make Loki more of a good guy, and what better way to complete that journey than to have him killed by Thanos while trying to save Thor’s life.
Also Loki is in practically none of the promo stuff, just the one shot of him with the Tesseract, and the only other bit we’ve seen of him was from filming a bit for Avengers 4 that was clearly a flashback or some kind of time travel to the past, which makes me suspect it’s because he’s just not in most of it.
Anyway, I WILL BE ABSOLUTELY ECSTATIC IF I’M WRONG.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ugh, I hate that your reasoning is so convincing. I haven’t heard the rumor that someone dies in the first 5 minutes, though. Where did that come from? And what about the thing Feige said about Loki being allied with Thanos in Infinity War? That would be a really misleading way of characterizing “he hands over the Tesseract and gets killed immediately afterward.” (It would still be misleading, but somewhat more conventionally so, if the situation is what I hope it is: Loki pretends to be helping Thanos, but is planning to betray him.)
I’m somewhat inclined to think that they’d only be doing the flashback in Avengers 4 to Loki’s arrest at the end of The Avengers if Loki was still around and they were trying to clarify something about his motivations or his relationship with the Avengers. I could be wrong, but otherwise I’m not sure what the significance of the flashback would be.
If they are planning to kill him by having him sacrifice himself to save Thor and/or stop Thanos, I wonder if they have plans to bring in a Kid Loki. @sexualthorientation‘s recent posts have been making me want to see Timothée Chalamet as an adolescent Loki, Agent of Asgard…
Loki is the Philosopher King 