Tag: loki in thor ragnarok

endiness:

negl. loki’s characterization in ragnarok feels like it was created by someone who hates loki. that’s how bad, cartoonish, and one-dimensional it is and how inaccurate it is to literally every other version of him that was established in the three movies preceding it (which ragnarok mocked.) ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fuckyeahrichardiii replied to your post “You know, it wasn’t until I was talking to someone in person about…”

I’ve gotten madder and madder about Ragnarok the farther out from it I get. My sense now is that TW didn’t really have much affection, if any, for ANY of the characters (except for the GM, which I can’t even talk about without flying into a rage). They were all at best caricatures of what they were in earlier movies. But this is especially true with Loki. He became a kind of joke. Ugh.

THANK YOU, @fuckyeahrichardiii. And to be clear, I don’t mind the slapstick humor involving Loki (though as noted elsewhere, I’m uneasy about the electrocution scene), and I recognize that everyone undergoes similar physical treatment. The problem is that his motivations are completely dismissed; he gets turned into some kind of Trumpian narcissist, retroactively erasing all the humanizing characterization he was given in the first two movies (and even The Avengers!).

And then there’s Thor, who bore virtually no resemblance to his character in any of the earlier movies. Neither TW nor CH seemed to care about the integrity of the character; they were just indulging their own sense of humor at the expense of the coherence of the character and his arc through the franchise. Ironically, I don’t think they made him any more interesting or likable than he had been before. They turned him into an inarticulate, mostly bumbling but occasionally cunning buffoon.

Yeah, there were parts of the movie I enjoyed. Valkyrie was great. Heimdall was badass. Hela was kind of cool, Skurge kind of endearing. Some of the bonding moments between Thor and Loki were nice; as a fan/shipper, I cling to those. But on the whole, the movie was a betrayal of everything that came before it.

wafflediaries replied to your post “You know, it wasn’t until I was talking to someone in person about…”

Thor Ragnarok was the best portrayal of Loki we have ever seen in the MCU. Please stop being bitter just because he wasn’t lifted from your OOC Loki-centric fanfic. Taika Waititi did a fantastic job.

LOL, @wafflediaries, have you actually read any of my fanfiction? (Or were you talking to @studiokawaii, whose reblog of the post I gather you were directly replying to?) I can’t control who reblogs and adds to the original post (short of blocking everyone I disagree with, which is emphatically NOT my M.O.), and I’m sure many of the rebloggers are who you think I am: unconditional Loki justifiers (also known as “apologists,” which is a misleading use of the term) who claim that he is a pure, blameless cinnamon roll, all of whose apparently immoral actions in canon can be excused on the grounds of his victimization by various other characters, and many of whom also ship Loki with themselves and/or write fanfiction pairing him with the reader or a self-insert OFC. (Not that there’s anything in principle wrong with character/reader fic or self-insert OFCs; it’s just not my bag, and tends to be associated with the mischaracterization of Loki described above.)

It’s easy to dismiss criticism of Loki’s portrayal in Ragnarok if you dismiss all the critics as a particular type of uncreditable person. I have never been accused of writing an OOC Loki, and since I am also a Thor/Loki shipper, many of my readers consider themselves Thor fans in the first instance and usually defend Thor against the attacks launched by the Loki-justifiers (sometimes to the also unjustified extreme of claiming that Thor is a blameless cinnamon roll who has no flaws and has never done anything wrong in his life, but that’s another story…). Then again, perhaps the reason no one has called my Loki OOC is simply the very strong norm against any form of criticism of fanfiction, even constructive criticism, and even when it is explicitly solicited (as I do).

americachavez:

sljdksjd that taika waititi quote about how loki’s last outfit in ragnarok is blue and purple because with hela and the hulk there’s already a lot of green is great and makes a lot of sense but contextually it’s like loki finds out he’s the cheap knockoff handbag to his big sister’s name brand designer handbag and is like FINE I’LL WEAR BLUE AND FUCK JEFF GOLDBLUM I BET HELA NEVER DID THAT HUH