Tag: loki and thanos

Omg yes I loved how described Thorki & Stony. I ship Thorki so much!!! Thorki is my OTP is Thorki and I also love Stucky too but its so true how you described Thorki & Stony too. Do you habe any Thorki fic recs? I loved Thorki in Thor Ragnarok! I wish we saw them hug too & coughs kiss we know that happened too lol. I hope Avengers Infinity War doesn’t screw them up. I don’t want Loki or Thor die and also don’t want Thorki against each other either. I want Thorki on fighting on the same side. I

Haha, thanks! (For those who are wondering, the first sentence is referring to this post about the parallels between Thor/Loki and Steve/Tony.)

In terms of fic recs, the most useful thing I can do is point you to my bookmarks page on AO3 – it’s basically a very long rec list. It’s mostly Thorki fic, with the occasional Superhusbands (in case you’re still into that) and some gen Thor & Loki fic. I also write Thorki fic, as well as some gen fic about the brotherly relationship between Thor and Loki; I’m Philosopher_King on AO3. My works page is a bit of a mess, so here’s a direct link to my Thorki series in the correct reading order (which is not the order in which I wrote them).

I semi-seriously wonder if the reason we didn’t see Thor and Loki hug in Ragnarok is that Waititi and/or Feige was worried that the sexual tension would have been too obtrusive. Officially, they’re just brothers, and there’s nothing else going on between them, but it seems like no one gave Hiddleston & Hemsworth that memo…

My sense about Infinity War is that Loki will not go back to being a villain, because Ragnarok made such a point of his character development toward heroism. I’m not at all confident that Markus & McFeely (the writers) or the Russo brothers (the directors) really care about Thor or Loki as characters; they all started in the Captain America movies, and I think their hearts are with the human Avengers. I hope, though, that the success of Ragnarok, and their awareness of Loki’s fan base, will motivate them not to neglect his character arc. With Thanos as the Big Bad and the ambiguous connection between Loki and Thanos set up in The Avengers, there’s a real opportunity for interesting character moments (are we gonna give Loki PTSD, or does Tony have a monopoly on it?) and some juicy moral dilemmas. DON’T FUCK IT UP, MARVEL.

helenakey:

krakensdottir:

Apparently there is still some argument over whether Loki was tortured/coerced into the actions of The Avengers? And whether there was any mind-scrambling involved?

Well I can see why. I mean…

    • Thanos would never do a thing like that (torture), because he’s surely a nicer guy than Nick Fury who suggests it right off the bat;
    • Loki would totally sign up to assist a much more powerful being in universe-conquering, that’s totally smart and sane and how he rolls, no coercion needed to place himself at the mercy of a cosmic-powered asshole;
    • The Other has clearly never threatened him before, Loki seems to trust it completely and is totally shocked that they don’t have the happiest business arrangement;
    • Loki’s “plan” isn’t reckless or bafflingly stupid or full of holes or in any way uncharacteristic of him at all;
    • It’s not like he has those same dark sleep-deprived circles around his eyes that Barton and Selvig develop;
    • It’s not as if he talks like a madman spouting indoctrinated-sounding nonsense like a freshly converted acolyte;
    • It’s not like even Thor thinks someone is controlling him;
    • Not like Thor and Banner both allude to him clearly being “beyond reason”, i.e. not in his right mind;
    • Not like Loki’s carrying a scepter around most of the film that is shown onscreen to negatively effect the emotions and behavior of people who even stand in a room with it for a short time, and anyway he’d surely be immune to it if he was, being so emotionally stable and not at all vulnerable;
    • Not like mind control is a running theme in this film or anything;
    • Loki’s dialogue in a cut extended scene certainly doesn’t allude to having been “touched” by the same power himself;
    • And of course he appears to be in great health, pallor and sweating and stumbling and lank greasy hair and months’ worth of shadows under his eyes notwithstanding, so it stands to reason he’s A-OK mentally. He’s just evil. For the evulz.

Yes, I can clearly see you’d have to be a hormone-addled bleeding-heart fangirl desperate to redeem the hot villain to see ANYTHING suspect in any of this. Torture, mind control, pfft. When will we learn to stop thinking like that? Logic schmogic, stop using your brains, girls.

I love this meta with my life

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Loki was not “mind controlled” in exactly the same way as Barton and Selvig, which we know because his eyes are definitely not that bright crystalline blue. BUT he’s clearly been threatened, probably tortured, and also quite probably messed with in some way using the Mind Stone. As ever, please see my currently 72,000-word fic for details on how this might have gone down.

What are your thoughts on Thor and Loki in infinity war?

fancykraken:

Well since I have almost nothing but a shitty cam rip of the IW trailer from comic con and a few bts pictures from filming to base my thoughts on, I’m probably wrong on a lot of this, but what the hell. 

(spoilers for Ragnarok and IW trailer below)

Okay, so at the end of Ragnarok we see them all nice and safe on the ship and decide to go to earth, but the mid credits scene seems to completely destroy the idea that that will happen. From the IW trailer, we see Peter Quill and the Guardians run Thor over with the Milano as he’s just floating in space. This can only mean one of two things: Loki thought it would be a lark to airlock the new King of Asgard or really bad shit went down. My guess on this would be the latter, unfortunately. 

So this poses a lot of questions, such as what happened to the rest of the people on the ship or is it just Thor that is having a jaunt out in space. Loki has the Tesseract, there’s no way that he did not take that before resurrecting Surtur to defeat Hela. Plus we see him in the IW trailer with it (assuming this isn’t a flashback scene).

Thanos is out for blood because he’s just that kinda guy and also Loki kinda wiggled out of his influence (he’s a slippery bugger he is). 

I’ve seen a lot of people say that they’re worried about Loki turning ‘evil’ and his character development taking a few steps back from Ragnarok. Loki in Ragnarok was a dream come true for me because it full embodied Loki and who he really is. When Thor said he would be perfect to rule Sakaar because it’s a ‘savage, chaotic, lawless’ place I nearly died of happiness because really that is some of the core qualities to Loki’s. Loki is neither wholly good or evil, he’s Loki and he’s in it for himself and to cause chaos. He likes sticking his fingers into each piece of the pie and watch the players play out the game. So while yes, I am worried that they could revert Loki back to what he was in earlier movies, I don’t think he will go back to what he was. I think that he’s ultimately going to be out for pure survival because of Thanos and what’s happening. I will not be surprised if he betrays Thor, the Avengers, and Thanos all in one because that’s just how he rolls. 

Now there’s the question of Loki having the Tesseract and who he is giving it to in the trailer. A lot of people think it may be Thanos or maybe one of the Black Order. I fully believe that he was under the influence in Avengers of Thanos and probably the Mind Stone. I don’t buy in that he was fully controlled by it like some do, but he was definitely affected by all that. He was a pawn in Thanos’s means to an end. So with that in mind, I think there’s a good chance he’ll defect back to Thanos claiming he was playing the long game to get the Tesseract back for him and honestly I couldn’t blame him. The state of Loki from the end credits of Thor 1 of him looking like a meth addict and then him in Avengers coming through the portal definitely indicates that something bad happened to him. 

So once again Loki is the wildcard and really can go either way. I think Thanos would have to use some very big leverage or just all out mind control him to have him 100% on his side. But of course, that is all contingent if Thanos just doesn’t want to outright torture and kill him. 

Another thing would be Thor and Loki planning things together and have Loki act as a spy or seem like he’s on the other side so he can get info and pass it back to Thor. It wouldn’t be the first time something like that has happened.

With Thor, I think that it’s more straightforward. Things obviously aren’t good for him and if the ship is destroyed and his people killed (except Valkyrie, Loki, and Hulk since we already know they’re in IW) then he will ultimately feel a shit ton of guilt and want to shut Thanos down as fast as possible. Again him just floating amongst the debris (of what we don’t know) where the Guardians find him in space is a bad sign. The Guardians know about the Infinity Stones and Thanos, whereas Thor only knew about the stones and an unseen threat. Now that he’s with the GotG he has more answers and I think pairing him with the Guardians is the right move since they’re more rightly aligned in the Marvel-verse in terms of their settings and storylines. 

Guardians have the info Thor needs and Thor has the team that the Guardians need to stop Thanos. That’s how I think that Thor will help bridge Avengers and Guardians. We already know that Tony Stark will be with the Guardians from the trailer + the GotG cast talking about working with RDJ. 

The absence of Loki being with Thor when he’s found is also very telling that he got out of there as soon as he could when Thanos shows up or he was taken by Thanos. If that’s the case then maybe the rest of the Asgardians were taken as well and Thor needs to get them back and to do that he’d need Loki. 

This is now Thor King of Asgard and so he’s got so much on his shoulders that I just want to hug him forever. His duty is to his people and the universe, so I feel like he’ll be more in the mindset to do anything to get rid of Thanos and that kinda scares me because if he dies in IW then part of my soul dies as well. lololol Same goes for Loki and Tony Stark. 

So in a really, really short tl;dr version: Thor, King of Asgard Mode activated and ready to throw down, while Loki, Sneaky Fucker Extraordinaire will do anything to survive this thing.

Why was Loki able to extract Valkyrie’s memory?

ikoliholic:

philosopherking1887:

This is not something we’ve seen him do before. Not that he would have had any occasion to in previous movies, but this is kind of in a different category from other things he does with magic: mostly illusions, shapeshifting, and moving things around.

This is some wild-ass, blatantly self-interested speculation, but… what if the power to draw out other people’s memories is a relatively new ability that he gained from his interaction with the Mind Stone? Scarlet Witch got her powers from experimentation with the Mind Stone, and one of the things we’ve seen her do is get into people’s heads and make them experience things based on their worst fears and most painful memories.

This at least suggests that forcing people to re-experience memories is one of the things that the Mind Stone can do, in addition to co-opting their will to make them serve the aims of the wielder. I think everyone I know has dismissed the idea that Thanos was controlling Loki the way Loki controlled Barton and Selvig; that’s probably not something you can do to a magically powerful being like Loki. BUT Scarlet Witch was able to do the fear-exploiting thing with Thor, and Loki simultaneously experienced and forced the Valkyrie to re-experience her worst memory – that is something you can do to more powerful beings.

So… this provides some circumstantial evidence in favor of the theory I explore in my fic The Abyss Gazes Also about what happened between Thanos and Loki: that Thanos exploited Loki’s own fears, resentments, and insecurities and forced him to re-experience his most traumatic memories involving his family (especially Thor and Odin) to manipulate him into invading Earth on Thanos’s behalf and fighting against his adoptive family.

Tagging people who read my fic and might care: @angrymadsygin, @darklittlestories, @fuckyeahrichardiii, @iamhisgloriouspurpose, @ikoliholic, @illwynd, @lunariagold, @nursejoh53, @raven-brings-light, @writernotwaiting

@philosopherking1887 here for this theory… i thought something along these lines while watching the film:

“Well, THAT’S new. Has he been fuckin round with gemstones? Is this an easy device to do CHARACTER FLASHBACK + VERIFICATION? or is Loki just growing more into his skills in his spare time?”

answer? I personally think it’s probably all three 😀

Yeah… I’ve had some people reblogging saying they think Loki has always been able to do this, and I’m like… based on what? Probably they just want him always to have been as powerful as possible, but I’m big on consistency and constraints.