foundlingmother:

imaginetrilobites:

pet peeve – when people call loki’s speech in iw character development

1. it’s not development when it comes out of nowhere

2. it’s not development if it was all resolved in the previous movies

i just hate how loki was used in the past two movies. they just needed him to get from point a. to point b. no explanations for his actions. i think this is what i personally dislike most about both ragnarok and infinity war. yeah there are important changes but i don’t feel them. i used to -get- loki. i don’t anymore. idk maybe it’s just me. 

Oh gosh! Yes!

The part that sticks out the most is the way Ragnarok and IW handled Loki being a Frost Giant (I’m sure we’re on exactly the same wavelength in thinking that). Ragnarok shows Loki revealing he’s a Frost Giant to Asgard, and never explores why he did this or the reaction of the people (perhaps because it doesn’t understand or care about how the previous movies would suggest their reaction would be negative).

The why part’s interesting to explore. Some people, myself included, have speculated Loki did a lot of self-healing in the four years he posed as Odin. There are ways that Loki could have been written where it would make sense that he reveals himself (I’m exploring one way in Debts). However, the purpose of the play isn’t to assure us that Loki’s been caring for himself and coming to terms with what he is. It’s to summarize the important points from the previous films in a “respectfully disrespectful” (I believe those were TW’s words) manner, and to show off how silly Loki is for writing a bad play about himself.

And then in IW he claims he’s the rightful king of Jotunheim. What?! The last mention of your feels were in a single line to Thor about how much being lied to hurts. Was I supposed to take from that and the weird play that everything was cool now? That the major fucking catalyst for Loki’s emotional breakdown in Thor was resolved by four years of relaxation and Thor (Loki’s brother who used to talk about how he was going to slay every fucking Frost Giant) ignoring Loki’s mention of it? I refuse!

And on the fandom side of things… the people who say Loki finally proved he loved Thor and was willing to die for him in IW drive me up a wall! First, did you not watch TDW? Even if you’re assuming Loki was only pretending (which doesn’t make sense but whatever) or planned to pretend to die, he couldn’t have predicted the black hole grenade that nearly took him out. He wasn’t protecting Jane for her sake. Second, Loki doesn’t die for Thor in IW. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. Loki’s actions don’t prevent Thanos from killing Thor. He could have easily done so after finishing off Loki. Loki’s death in IW is meaningless. It’s just there to say “see how easily our new bad guy takes out the old one”.