Also, on a separate note, I know you’re not a fan of Ragnarok, but do these feelings extend towards Valkyrie? I was wondering where the heck she was and if you had any theories

Answering your previous question(s) will involve digging up some old posts where I’ve addressed/ranted about what I think was going on with Loki’s death in Infinity War, so I’ll deal with that tomorrow (I hope). This one’s a little more straightforward.

To set the record straight: disliking Ragnarok on the whole does not mean that I dislike every single thing about it; it’s just that I don’t feel like I need to add a disclaimer specifying what I didn’t hate every time I want to make an argument regarding what I thought was bad. I do like Valkyrie (or Brunnhilde, rather, since that’s her name). The things I like about her are probably the usual things that are cited when people talk about how awesome she was: a woman of color was allowed to inhabit an archetype that’s usually reserved for men; she wasn’t over-sexualized; the possibility of romance with Thor was allowed to remain a mere suggestion. She’s a morally flawed badass, which is great.

However, I do have some issues with the way her story was handled. The film seemed remarkably blasĆ© about the time she spent as a slave-trader, in much the way that it (and Bruce!) was inappropriately blasĆ© about the fact that the Hulk had spent the last 2 years killing gladiator slaves for sport. And also the fact that she nonchalantly pulverized some of her fellow scrappers… I mean, I guess they were about to kill Thor, but that was a lot of casual death that never got put on her moral tab. To reiterate, I like the fact that she’s morally flawed; I like heroes who are morally flawed. But it also needs to be acknowledged. As a Loki fan in the first instance, I’m tired of people insisting at me that I need to acknowledge all the terrible things Loki has done before I’m allowed to like him, while out of the other side of their mouths telling me that I should stop insisting that Thor fans acknowledge his moral failings. There is a clear double standard, in fandom as in the films themselves, between the characters who are designatedĀ ā€œheroesā€ and those who are designatedĀ ā€œvillainsā€: once you’ve played the villain role, you can sacrifice yourself to save the universe but still never live down your crimes; but if you’ve been put in the hero role, your crimes are automatically expunged, even if they’re comparable in extent to the so-called villain’s. (Well, except that the Team Cap people are constantly going on about Tony’s crimes… but that’s because they’ve cast him as a villain.)

I’m also not thrilled that Valkyrie has been presented both by Marvel and by the fandom as aĀ ā€œreplacementā€ for Jane Foster – nay, as an upgrade, who’sĀ ā€œmore equalā€ to Thor (per Kevin Feige) and also better in social justice terms because she’s not white (according to Tumblr). That, however, is not a mark against Valkyrie as a character. I just don’t like the way she’s been implicitly or explicitly opposed to Jane, as if you’re only allowed to like one. They have different strengths; Jane’s strength is her intellect, and as a 5′1″ academic who most certainly cannot beat people up, that appeals to me. I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with Thor being attracted to a woman for her intelligence and creativity rather than her warrior’s prowess. I wish the two characters had been allowed to coexist. With Jane and Darcy unceremoniously booted, I’m pretty sure Ragnarok, unlike the previous two Thor films, does not pass the Bechdel test.

As to where Brunnhilde is now… I think IW didn’t address it because the writers didn’t totally know what was going on with Ragnarok and also were lazy/didn’t care. My headcanon is that Thor ordered her to lead the Asgardian civilians who couldn’t fight due to age or disability onto whatever lifeboats/escape pods were on the Ark and then protect them wherever they ended up.

van-dyne:

the fact that people only see Jane’s (potential) return will ā€˜ruin’ Thor’s character is hilarious and offending at the same time. Girl is an astrophysicist, girl is an expert in quantum physics and space, girl had been a host for an infinity stone and survived. She has knowledge and experience to bring to the table, she is HER OWN CHARACTER and she is NOT defined by Thor or anyone. You all fake feminists praising Thor for being a feminist, for supporting women, and then you turn around and reduce Jane Foster, the world’s foremost astronomer,Ā  to Thor’s ex who will ruin his character. I see you there.

I’m also not sure where all thisĀ ā€œThor is a feministā€ stuff came from other than that really weird rambly bit in Ragnarok, which did not strike me as remotely genuine. Like, it’s cool if you all headcanon that he’s a big feminist, and since I like him as a character pre-Ragnarok I’d like to think he is (except for that attempt to take credit for Sif’s success when she was introduced in Thor 1), but I regard that trope the same way I do the thing about Thor being obsessed with Pop-Tarts: a throwaway bit of canon that fanon blew out of proportion.

re: your tags on the jane and peter being siblings post. what the mcu really needs is an amazing race style show but it’s all disaster siblings trying to get through random mundane tasks while the rest of their friends stare in horror. “make an omelet” “book a doctor’s appointment” “get a library card” etc

anais-ninja-bitch:

allofthefeelings:

I AM SCREAMING OVER HOW BAD I WANT THIS.

The best part is that there are SO MANY DISASTERS IN THE MCU that there could legitimately be like eight to twelve teams of absolute failures attempting and failing to survive basic tasks.

Like, you have the people who are good at undercover high-level spy work but not really at humaning.

You have the people excellent at science but completely unprepared to take care of anything in their own lives.

You have the people who otherwise seem competent but see nothing wrong with throwing themselves from great heights without a parachute because fuck gravity, I guess, they have superserum or wings and that makes it totally fine.

You have the people just totally unfamiliar with earth.

THIS COULD BE A GOLD MINE.

disaster sibling teams:

peter quill and jane foster

gamora and nebula

thor and loki

just plain disaster teams:

steve and tony

bucky and clint

scott and luis

jessica and matt

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portraitoftheoddity:

Jane Foster has a mild manifestation of bipolar disorder type II; when she gets hypomanic, her obsession with science becomes hyperfocused to the point of recklessness (driving into a storm, breaking into a SHIELD facility, jumping through a wormhole, etc.), but when her depression sets in, she’s barely functional. She’s been very good at hiding this from her colleagues due to the stigma around it.Ā 

ronniereyes:

i don’t care how much you love valkyrie. using her existence as a reason to talk about how much you hate jane is misogynistic.

before i get hate for this, let me explain.

yes, valkyrie is important. having a black woman being a lead character and a warrior and a love interest and bisexual (although it was never confirmed on screen) is important. i’m not saying that at all! i’m also not saying that valkyrie shouldn’t exist and we should just have jane.

what i’m saying is that it’s possible to have both, and the thing that pissed me off about ragnarok was that it spat in the face of that notion. it’s possible to have two leading ladies with vastly different abilities and personalities. because that’s what women are! having more physical prowess doesn’t make you better and being smarter doesn’t make you better. but the mcu fandom acts like now that we have valkyrie, who is clearlyĀ (sarcasm) better because she is a more skilled fighter than jane, it’s okay to completely forget about jane and sif (and darcy and frigga, for that matter). it’s now okay to sayĀ ā€œoh jane wasn’t that great of a character :/ i don’t like her but i love valkyrie so i’m #wokeā€ and that’s not okay. jane is a BRILLIANT scientist who has won a nobel prize and she was the first female scientist in the mcu as well as the only female scientist with a recurring role until black panther! (i could talk about how fandom forgets maya hansen and helen cho too, but that’s for another post.)

jane is a character who gets an unfair amount of hate because she’s not a fighter. fandom decided she wasn’t a ~strong female character~ and now takes every opportunity to shit on her. jane and thor shouldn’t have to be romantically involved for her to get to be on screen. jane could’ve used her brain to help in ragnarok. they needed to escape sakaar, right? well that’s kinda jane’s specialty! and instead they just wrote her out with a disrespectful, throwaway line, and made a joke about an anus.

they could’ve easily picked up jane on earth when they visited benadryl cumberbatch and consulted with her. valkyrie still could’ve been the warrior and the love interest. but no, we can’t have more than two women in a movie can we? it’s not like the first two thor movies had FOUR leading women. sayingĀ ā€œoh we have valkyrie nowā€ doesn’t make it okay to disregard established female characters. your misogyny is showing.

i’d go into the fact that valkyrie isn’t even given a goddamn name in ragnarok, but i’m too damn tired. fandom thinks jane is justĀ thor’s love interest played by natalie portman. now that thor has another love interest and natalie portman doesn’t want to come back, they think it’s okay to hate her. no, it’s not. just recast the part (like you’ve done with rhodey and bruce) and let her be a scientist. that’s it.

queencfthestarsdrfoster:

I don’t think the MCU grasps the concept of how important this is.

This was back in Thor 1 in 2011. Jane had a working prototype bifrost in 2011.

That was seven years ago. That was before she had the money, recognition and resources to complete a fully functional one.

SHE BUILT A CUSTOM BIFROST THAT REACHED ASGARD WITH ONLY HER ENGINEERING AND IDEAS ALONE!

Can you imagine what she has built now?! She is the world’s leading astrophysicist. She was nominated for a Nobel prize! She saved the world from Dark Elves in The Dark World with her science!!!!

This is the woman Thor fell for. This is the woman that Loki risked his life twice for.

She needs to meet the Guardians of the Galaxy. She needs to. Just meeting them would be the most exciting thing for her.

@fuckyeahrichardiii

queencfthestarsdrfoster:

blanca-angelica-loveless:

queencfthestarsdrfoster:

blanca-angelica-loveless:

queencfthestarsdrfoster:

blanca-angelica-loveless:

queencfthestarsdrfoster:

blanca-angelica-loveless:

Okay but Ego was super impressed about hearing that Peter could hold an Infnity Stone, even for a couple minutes, and said he had to be his son, had to be a Celestia to survive that.

Well Jane was possed by one for a few day, so who the Hell is she related too?

Low-key, since she a Peter are basically the same age, I’m gonna headcanon now Ego got busy with some other Earth lady (you can say Ego loves Meredith, but I mean, cheating is a thing, and how much love do we really think that psycopathic planet really had in him). And, also, like, her mom died of cancer in the comics when she was nine, just like with Peter in the movies, I’m just saying. They’re totally half siblings, fight me.

An explanation for why Yondu didn’t go pick her up along with Peter though, is maybe he told Ego he’d only pick up one kid at a time (since Ravagers apparently aren’t even supposed to deal with kids at all), and then while he had Peter, figured out what was happening to Ego’s kids, so obviously didn’t go back to Earth at any point to have gotten her.

This theory is incredibly intriguing. Now I’m trying to remember if we ever learned anything about Jane’s father….

Only, I think, that he was friends with Selvig, and (maybe) a scientist too (in the comics he’s a plumber),

But I dont think its a stretch to imagine Jane’s mom could have thought she’d never see Ego again, and when she ended up with another guy, that guy was around for her and Jane, and became Jane’s father and who she called dad regardless of blood relation.

(Ive been thinking about this theory non-stop since I thought of it last night. Could you imagine how dumb Odin would feel realised he didn’t think a Celestial was worthy of his Son)

Considering how Odin treated his own second son and underestimated him at everything, it’s definitely not something he would have anticipated.

My goodness, does it make sense though. Jane Foster as half Celestial. I’m taking this theory now. That’s incredible. That would also make her and Peter Quill half siblings. Peter Quill would have a sister haha.

Could you imagine after everyone found out and they’re just looking between Peter and Jane like ā€œhow?ā€

But also, I think Jane would be the younger sister, and we know Peter’s all about Classic Family Tropes (Play catch with his dad lmao) so he’d totally be all over Thor when he finds out they used to date, like ā€œDon’t even look at my sister dude, you lost all privilege when you broke her heart!ā€

ā€œshe broke up with me!ā€

ā€œYou abandond her to go planet hopping!ā€

ā€œBecause your girlfriend dad was trying to murder the universe!ā€

(Nebula and Loki in the back ground like ā€œi hate this family so muchā€)

@mydaddywasaplanet

And to add some things:

Red skull’s, eyes as he’s disintigrated by the Space Stone: Pretty normal considering who he is.

Clint’s eyes as he’s possesed by the Mind Stone: Solid black, and then settled on an erie blue

Vision, basically the Mind Stone himself: Relatively normal eyes all things considered.

Malekith possesed by the Reality Stone: Brown, weird beatle-like reflectiveness.

Wanda, using the power obtained from the Mind Stone: only the irises change

Natasha, being possesed by the second-hand power of the mind stone: only the irises change

Jane and Peter possessed by the Reality and Power Stones: White sclera turn black, irises turn a glowy-neon.

Lots of different reactions, but Jane’s and Peter’s are the same, soooo,,,,,

Reblogging this again because Tumblr is eating posts I make recently.

squeeful:

one-piece-of-harry:

stefanidoesstuff:

one-piece-of-harry:

I really hate raining on people’s fun so just ignore me but I really don’t like how people have made Thor this massive feminist based on that one scene in ragnarok because to me it was so painfully obvious that Thor was just saying the things he thought Valkyrie would want to hear/backtracking from having blurted out ā€œuntil I found out you were all womenā€ and, like, Valkyrie rolled her eyes for a reason because men being apathetic to feminist issues until they’re trying to persuade a woman/charm a woman is such a clichĆ© and so is overcorrecting for a perceived sexist slight like??? I’m just so angry that Thor is the face for feminism when marvel continues to create and discard female characters as fast as they can make them and?? We’re not saying anything about it?? What the fuck happened to Jane foster? She was a goddamn genius and this same fandom CELEBRATED when they kicked her from the narrative and called that ā€œfeministā€ god

It is the exact opposite of feminist to celebrate when a female character is ejected from a story. The Marvel fandom celebrated for one reason: it hates women, full stop.

ā€œit made sure we wouldn’t have a forced heterosexual romance!ā€ like… bitch. If the only way you can rationalize not having sexist tropes in a het romance is to…straight up get rid of the women then y’all ain’t feminist and it’s exhausting

jane foster and thor were the least forced romance but sure, let’s celebrate when marvel is shit to their actresses as well as their characters