I’m not really sure why I’m sharing Infinity War speculation at this point, since a bunch of people have already seen it and I’m seeing it in less than 48 hours, but I thought this was an interesting idea.
‘I came into this and called Joe and Anthony and said, “Look, don’t write me the old Thor, we’ve got a new Thor now,”’ Chris said.
He was referencing the highly acclaimed shift towards a comedic, self-referential tone he and Taika made with Ragnarok.
But instead of observing his request to keep the character’s newfound mojo alive, the Russo brothers reportedly told him they’d ‘reinvented’ the character once again.
Chris recalled his response: ‘I was like “no, no, no” and I was really protective of what I’d created with Taika.’
They explained that the new direction was in line with the higher-stakes of the Avengers film, and to ensure the character worked well in an ensemble cast.
oh thank the fucking norns
Oh no, Chris is going to have to actually act as a character instead of just playing himself.
I hope by “reinvented” they just mean went back to the character as we’d known him for 4 movies before Chris got tired of pretending he can act.
(This article doesn’t even really make sense because the Russos didn’t write the script, they just directed it; Markus & McFeely were the writers.)
It’s an unpopular opinion, but I welcome this change. I hated Ragnarok!Thor. The Russo Brothers know what they’re doing. They did a great job with Cap, and they’ll do great with Thor. By not making him a Space Viking Tony Stark.
Dude, calling Ragnarok!Thor a “Space Viking Tony Stark” is an insult to Tony Stark. Tony Stark only pretends to be indifferent to other people’s feelings.
I’m not sure I trust the writers, Markus and McFeely; they turned Captain America: Civil War into a soap opera about personal loyalties and vendettas and completely dropped the ball on the larger political and philosophical issues they had the opportunity to explore. They also wrote most of Thor: The Dark World, which is largely a boring, forgettable mess without the Loki scenes they brought Joss Whedon in to add in reshoots. I’m actually kind of intrigued by the strategy they described of making Thanos the central character of IW and the Avengers effectively supporting characters, even though everyone else is appalled by it, but I’m skeptical that they have the skill to carry it off well.
cathartic discussion time for all my loki stans: how the fuck is he going to be killed
Thanos seems to have the Power Stone when he arrives on Earth via the portal. I imagine he uses that. Or perhaps Corvus Glaive skewers Loki with his pike.
And he defo dies protecting Thor in some way. I will accept nothing else (not that I’m accepting it anyways).
that’s such shit though he already “died” protecting Thor and I’d like to think that Thor and Loki are equals and that neither of them should have to die for each other to prove themselves
*raises hands* I agree with you. I also think it would be a massive waste to kill Loki in Infinity Wars. His connection to Thanos would make for an interesting bit of plot, and I wonder if it will be addressed at all with him dead (which he most certainly will be, probably in the first five minutes).
Well, at least if Loki’s connection with Thanos is never addressed/explained, then Abyss will never become defunct (and I don’t have to finish it before Infinity War comes out, which is probably not going to happen anyway).
Okay my prediction is that Loki won’t die. I know that in the promos we’ve only seen him in that one scene, which doesn’t bode well.
But what if it’s because showing him later in the movie would be a spoiler?
Maybe:
– Loki will give the Tesseract to Thanos, but then it will be revealed at the dramatic conclusion that he had a devious plan to help the Avengers all along.
– We and/or Thor will think Loki is dead, but he’s actually alive and working for Thanos, giving a dramatic reveal when Loki turns up for the final battle.
I have about 80% confidence that Loki will die at some point in the movie, but I’m only at 50% that he’ll die in the first 5 minutes.
If Loki does not die in the first 5 minutes, I’m voting for some combination of the options you outline above: Thor (and possibly the audience) thinks Loki is dead, and he appears to be working for Thanos either when he shows up in the final battle or (if the audience knows he’s alive) during the time between his separation from Thor and the final battle. But then at some point in the final battle he reveals that he was planning to double-cross Thanos all along.
I hate to rain on everyone’s parade (all evidence to the contrary–my meta is one giant storm over parades of people who actually enjoy Ragnarok, and other Marvel movies occasionally), but what possible reason does Thanos have to trust/recruit Loki? Loki lost one of the Infinity Stones. Even if he gives the Tesseract over, the Mind Stone’s still gone, and Thanos may even know about Loki’s part in keeping the Aether from him.
Much as Loki playing double agent sounds cool to me, it just doesn’t seem likely. Thanos would seem stupid, weak, and desperate to trust someone that failed him before, and I’m pretty sure even Marvel knows that.
The reason I think Loki might be apparently allied with Thanos is not so much because Thanos has reason to trust him as because of something Kevin Feige said, reported in this article from The Mary Sue. (Ignore some of the other obnoxious things in the article, including calling Taika Waititi “our Lord and savior.” *shudder* *barf*) If you watch the video, the relevant portion starts at 1:57.
This also supports the hypothesis that Loki will eventually die in the movie, because Feige says he “might show up for a while.” “A while” does seem to suggest longer than 5 minutes, but who knows.
Hmmm… Again, much as the double agent thing is cool, I think it would undermine Thanos’ character (which has thus far been characterized by his brutality even to his minions/allies/children).
Now, if Thanos knows that Loki knows where the Aether is, but not where Loki sent it (which seems odd, but it could be possible), I could see him keeping him around until he… talks… (at which point I think I’d prefer him dying in the first five minutes–death is preferable to more torture)
But who knows. Maybe Marvel will find a way for Loki to convince Thanos he’s tots on his side, and we’ll get the double agent plot line with or without a heroic death later in the film.
They haven’t had a problem with undermining Thanos’s character before… he came off looking pretty fucking incompetent in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Hmm, interesting thought about keeping Loki around to tell him where the Aether is. I don’t think Marvel will show or even imply any really gruesome torture; probably just more electrocution or something. (Thor and Thanos have something in common!) But they’re definitely going for a darker, grimmer (or even grimdark) tone for this movie, so I certainly wouldn’t put it past them.
Or maybe Loki will pretend to be cooperating so he doesn’t get tortured. We can hope.
cathartic discussion time for all my loki stans: how the fuck is he going to be killed
Thanos seems to have the Power Stone when he arrives on Earth via the portal. I imagine he uses that. Or perhaps Corvus Glaive skewers Loki with his pike.
And he defo dies protecting Thor in some way. I will accept nothing else (not that I’m accepting it anyways).
that’s such shit though he already “died” protecting Thor and I’d like to think that Thor and Loki are equals and that neither of them should have to die for each other to prove themselves
*raises hands* I agree with you. I also think it would be a massive waste to kill Loki in Infinity Wars. His connection to Thanos would make for an interesting bit of plot, and I wonder if it will be addressed at all with him dead (which he most certainly will be, probably in the first five minutes).
Well, at least if Loki’s connection with Thanos is never addressed/explained, then Abyss will never become defunct (and I don’t have to finish it before Infinity War comes out, which is probably not going to happen anyway).
Okay my prediction is that Loki won’t die. I know that in the promos we’ve only seen him in that one scene, which doesn’t bode well.
But what if it’s because showing him later in the movie would be a spoiler?
Maybe:
– Loki will give the Tesseract to Thanos, but then it will be revealed at the dramatic conclusion that he had a devious plan to help the Avengers all along.
– We and/or Thor will think Loki is dead, but he’s actually alive and working for Thanos, giving a dramatic reveal when Loki turns up for the final battle.
I have about 80% confidence that Loki will die at some point in the movie, but I’m only at 50% that he’ll die in the first 5 minutes.
If Loki does not die in the first 5 minutes, I’m voting for some combination of the options you outline above: Thor (and possibly the audience) thinks Loki is dead, and he appears to be working for Thanos either when he shows up in the final battle or (if the audience knows he’s alive) during the time between his separation from Thor and the final battle. But then at some point in the final battle he reveals that he was planning to double-cross Thanos all along.
This doesn’t look good….. at all. I’m going to be crying as soon as this movie starts.
This is what I expected after seeing the trailer. And remember that most people on the refugee ship are civilians. Asgard’s soldiers were killed off by Hela. Even with Thor’s and Loki’s “teams” they will be outgunned.
Yeah….
So there was no point in saving everyone in Ragnarok.
This is the opposite of what we want, Marvel. Srsly…
Fucking called it. Of course they were going to sacrifice the Asgardians to show us Thanos is the real deal.
This isn’t really news, is it? There was that clip from the trailer with one of Thanos’s generals stepping over the bodies of Asgardians. Of course, “horrific slaughter” does not yet tell us whether Thanos will kill everyone except Thor (and possibly Loki).
If they kill Valkyrie, I’m going to be so pissed. How dare they introduce a complex, powerful WOC character (and displace two smart, strong-willed women to do it) for one movie and then kill her off at the beginning of the next. I also won’t be thrilled if they kill Heimdall, but I know Idris Elba was chafing at the occasionally undignified physical demands of the role; and I’ve also heard speculation that he has the Soul Stone (which is how he can see what everyone is doing), which would give Thanos an actual plot-driven reason to kill him (like Vision *sniff* and possibly Loki).
Gotta say, though, I won’t be at all sad if Korg and Miek die.
Narratively it makes sense from the footage we’ve seen so far. Thanos’s ship shows up at the Ark at the end of Ragnarok, then from IW footage we see a bunch of dead Asgardians, we see Thor about to get crushed by Thanos, we see Loki offering up the Tesseract…then Thor gets picked up by the GOTG floating through space and looking all burnt and stuff. Plus from The Avengers we know that Thanos is probably pretty pretty pretty pissed at him.
Combined with the rumor that someone dies in the first five minutes, it’s not hard to guess who that might be.
From a utilitarian standpoint it makes sense too. There are SO MANY characters in IW, and there is no way they’re going to want to focus screen time on a secondary/tertiary character who’s not even a hero. It makes more sense to get him out of the way as soon as possible. Even more so when you consider that Loki is such a wild card…just his PRESENCE in Thor’s vision in Ultron was enough to confuse people and make them think he was behind everything and they had to get rid of it…best to just fridge him in IW.
From a “Hollywood” villain redemption standpoint it also makes sense. Hollywood doesn’t know how to redeem bad guys without killing them. They’ve been trying to make Loki more of a good guy, and what better way to complete that journey than to have him killed by Thanos while trying to save Thor’s life.
Also Loki is in practically none of the promo stuff, just the one shot of him with the Tesseract, and the only other bit we’ve seen of him was from filming a bit for Avengers 4 that was clearly a flashback or some kind of time travel to the past, which makes me suspect it’s because he’s just not in most of it.
Anyway, I WILL BE ABSOLUTELY ECSTATIC IF I’M WRONG.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ugh, I hate that your reasoning is so convincing. I haven’t heard the rumor that someone dies in the first 5 minutes, though. Where did that come from? And what about the thing Feige said about Loki being allied with Thanos in Infinity War? That would be a really misleading way of characterizing “he hands over the Tesseract and gets killed immediately afterward.” (It would still be misleading, but somewhat more conventionally so, if the situation is what I hope it is: Loki pretends to be helping Thanos, but is planning to betray him.)
I’m somewhat inclined to think that they’d only be doing the flashback in Avengers 4 to Loki’s arrest at the end of The Avengers if Loki was still around and they were trying to clarify something about his motivations or his relationship with the Avengers. I could be wrong, but otherwise I’m not sure what the significance of the flashback would be.
If they are planning to kill him by having him sacrifice himself to save Thor and/or stop Thanos, I wonder if they have plans to bring in a Kid Loki. @sexualthorientation‘s recent posts have been making me want to see Timothée Chalamet as an adolescent Loki, Agent of Asgard…
I kind of assumed that the “flashback” was actually someone using the Time Stone to go back in time and maybe grab the Tesseract in the past…there have also been pictures of Tony with gray hair, which makes me suspect Time Stone fuckery…Loki’s arrest would be a good time to grab it since it was nicely contained in that little canister thingy, and his presence would just be incidental. Anyway, mostly baseless speculation.
I would bet a substantial sum of money that they have absolutely no plans for Loki in the movies beyond this at all, and that Kid Loki will not be making any kind of appearance. I’d even be surprised to see Thor after these two Avengers movies.
Aw, shit, the time travel thing didn’t occur to me. God damn it. I still really hope you’re wrong, and I’m clinging to the Feige statement.
You’re probably right about Kid Loki, I was just fantasizing for a bit there…
As far as I remember no one said that someone will die in first 5 mins, Kevin Feige just said that Thanos will prove himself a serious villain or something like that and everyone concluded that he probably will kill someone.
Well, then, that could just refer to the fact that he or his generals seem to have killed most of the Asgardians on the Ark. That would prove him a serious villain even without killing off a major character.
Or he could kill Korg. I would be completely OK with that.
Loki is the Philosopher King 