regarding “we were eight”

raven-brings-light:

I’ve often wondered how Odin and Frigga passed Loki off as their child when it had to have been obvious that Frigga wasn’t pregnant a second time. One option I’d idly entertained in the past was that Odin brought Loki back just as Frigga was giving birth to Thor and they’re like “WOOPS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS TWINS”…but they still called Thor the “firstborn” because one of the twins had to have been born first…and I bet Thor would really rub it in and call Loki his little brother all the time…and Loki would be gritting his teeth like “BY SEVEN MINUTES YOU OAF.”

Also, if that was true, the kind of ironic thing would be Loki may actually have been born first.

ANYWAY.

Pointless (probably wrong) speculation, brought to mind again by that bit of dialogue. 😀

I love how Loki is officially no longer the shittiest Odinkid. And, frankly, has one of the lower body-counts in the family now. XD

thorkizilla:

I’M LAUGHING BECAUSE IT’S TRUE.

Loki, I love you, boo, but you’re never going to be the worst anymore, sorry big sis has that covered.

I love this on a LOL level but I also love it in the sense that, while Loki will still have issues, it will give both him and Thor breathing room to realize things are not as bad as they could be.  Loki doesn’t have to feel like he has to live up to being this monster he’s painted up as how he thinks his family sees him, he can settle more into a middle of the road trickster type.

Thor has dealt with so much shit by this point, has lost so much and seen so much violence and evil from others, can look at Loki and not see him as the worst kind of betrayal ever, either.  He’s always wanted to believe in Loki, wishes he could trust him, but he’s come to a point where he recognizes who he himself has grown into, that he’s grown up a lot, he’s grown into more than he used to be, and if Loki comes along, Thor will be so glad to have him there, but if not, he knows that he has the strength to carry on.

Loki can realize, hey, he’s not the only one in a shitty situation, that it sucks when someone who should be your sibling just wrecks everything because they’re being an asshole, that he can understand much more of what Thor’s been through and what he’s going through.  That he wasn’t the only one who was lied to–yes, it gives Thor new understanding, but it also gives Loki new understanding, that he’s not the only one who’s been hurt.

I love it because they can always think of Hela and go, yeah, okay, we have our problems, but at least we’re not The Actual Worst Shittiest Odinkid as dark humor, but also that, yeah, it gives them both perspective that lets them grow. And that’s why I love the ending of the movie–maybe it’ll stick, maybe it won’t, but I wouldn’t have thought it possible with the road they were on before and yet!  Now I do.

I love it because, hey, don’t be a rerun of Hela, Loki.

Be something different, be something more.

thorkizilla:

ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT RAGNAROK:

“I am Thor, son of Odin.”

“Really?  You don’t look like him.”

It’s true, he doesn’t look that much like Odin, but it puts in mind the theme of family resemblance and, hey, look who does look like a family member:

But Loki and Hela aren’t related by blood, yet they look like.  Sure, sure, comic designs are being ported over to the MCU etc.  But you know what’s confirmed by this movie:

Shapeshifter Loki.

Odin, having had to seal Hela away before she caused too much damage, still thinking of her and the loss of her, his firstborn, and not too much later, this happens:

SHAPESHIFTER LOKI, EVEN AS A BABY, PICKING UP ON ODIN’S THOUGHTS OF HELA AND SHIFTING TO A FORM THAT RESEMBLED HER.

Picking up on just what exactly would allow him to survive, to be taken in and cared for, to be loved and protected.  And Odin, grieving over the loss of his firstborn, coming to love this child who looks so much like her, this new chance to do right with a child.

Ragnarok (and all of the Thor movies, really) is the story about how Thor is actually the redemption of Odin’s line, of course, that the terrible power both Hela and Thor wield is something they either do or don’t learn to do with compassion and good in their hearts.

But I love that this makes Loki just as important a part of the family as he can be. He has his mother’s magic, she would be proud of him, he is Odinson just as much as Thor is, Thor is closer to having his mother’s looks, Loki and Hela share looks, Thor and Hela share a power beyond almost anyone else we’ve seen, the web of connections and themes is everywhere and Loki is 100% fucking there with them all.