Tag: fuck marvel

Why wasn’t toms name on infinity war poster?

the-haven-of-fiction:

I guess 10 minutes of screentime didn’t warrant it?

Sorry, I had to.

Uhm, I’m sure there is a technical reason for this, but I’ll go with:

-he isn’t an Avenger

-he isn’t the name of a franchise (like RDJ as Iron Man, Evans as Captain America, etc.)

-he isn’t a major part of the movie

-Marvel is full of dumbos who thought they had a second class character but hired a first class actor to play him and then didn’t properly explore said character when said actor gave the world an intriguing, complex, and fascinating portrayal that goes beyond anything else said dumbos have put on screen

Not sorry.

Kevin Feige said all this shit after Thor and The Avengers about how they were “putting their chips on Loki” because the movies wouldn’t work if Loki wasn’t a compelling villain… but his popularity took off beyond what they wanted him for. They intended him to be a function, not really a character. But when your Shakespearean director hires another Shakespearean actor, you’re going to get a character – and one who’s more interesting than the characters you’re trying to foreground. So they did their best in Ragnarok and IW to reduce him back to a function.

writernotwaiting:

pedeka:

starscreamloki:

mastreworld:

lasimo74allmyworld:

This is going to be a very personal post, with very personal opinion. You don’t have to agree and surely things can be see differently and in a way more positevely but I have to say it. Feel free to ignore this useless post.

You know what upset me, beyond Loki’s fate, beyond the utterly disrespect towards him, beyond his character regression (he starts by being the God of Mischief and ended by being a silly knife-thrower, deprived of any of his own powers. We don’t see him playing significant tricks and illusions since TDW.), beyond any attempt to dismiss him?

The “No more resurrection this time”. I know…apparently things not ended here, next year Avengers 4 will be released and we will finally see if all this nonsense can be fixed up (well, I’m seriously hopeless regarding Loki, but anyway…another unrequited opinion of mine.).

However this line makes me cringe. Because in my eyes, I see it address not only at Loki as merely character for plot needs, but to what he represents for his audience.

Personally speaking, I feel deeply connected to him, because i’m one of his army, one of his people,…one of those persons who sees him like a symbol of…can I say hope? I am insecure about everything, my life is a bunch of mess, I have deep fears and anxiety, I am the black sheep for one particular half of my family because I’m the female and the introvert (on the contrary, my brother is the first male heir, the only man who carry on family name, the extrovert…) and I haven’t reached any social achievement. I am always been the loser,…in most things, the average one.

Then Loki is arrived and his figure was so powerful for me. He was lied to, he’s been hurts, he failed but he never give up. He fights. He stands proud. He lives his life being himself. He craves love and attention, and despite all he never misses to help in his own way. He’s an outsider who fights no matter what. He’s complex, deep, emotional, smart and frail. Yet strong. Despite all the superheroes around him, he fights and never give up.

So I did it too. I tried to stay strong. I can’t explain how…as I can’t tell you all the nights passed writing pages on my journal talking to him for venting all my shit out.

But now they said that “No resurrection this time”. So we lose. No, I wrong,…I lose. My heart is broken, not only because Loki’s fate, but because they’ve stated that there’s no place for me. For the outsider, for the life-long loser. No hope. I’ll be always the average, no matter how much I try, or fight for. I don’t know…I don’t even seen IW, I can’t bear to see THAT scene… either way that line was brutal. Words weight, are important, and those words are been cruel. For Loki. For me. I don’t know about others, for me are been mean. I feel forgotten and left behind.

I know, I overreact…it’s surely true, I admit. But this is what I feel these days. And I understand also that it’s stupid reacting this way for a movie, or a fictional character…we have discussed many times how fictional characters often are not only merely fiction. But something beyond fiction. I also know that in my beloved Loki’s Speech I screamed that my King will live forever and ever, this is something I feel deep in my soul. For now.

Sorry for this long post full of nonsense. It was just a personal outburst no one is forced to read. It’s been a need I had to let this out.

Don’t apologize for expressing how you feel. It’s not nonsense. This whole thing… it’s like being slapped in the face over and over.

Just… fuck Marvel and their nazi propaganda.

Indeed don’t apologize, you are not alone. If Loki has thought me one thing: no matter how many times you get battered down, always make sure to rise again. (The time lying on the ground crying and screaming doesn’t matter, just eventually get up and rise above yourself when the time feels right for you.)

Don’t apologize for how you feel. Just know that he is OUR Loki as much as Marvel’s… he has many fates, as many fates as fans.

Popular culture has always had a love-hate relationship with social outsiders. They need us, because we are interesting, and creative. They need us because without a little bit of chaos, society (and art) stagnate. But they never want to keep us. 

They bring in an Agent of Chaos™ (like a Fallen Woman, or The Gay, or in this case Loki) and they use that Agent of Chaos™ as a vehicle for social renewal, but they don’t know what to do with The Outsider™ once things have been renewed. Because if they want to have Moral Standards™, they can’t possibly integrate the Fallen Woman or The Gay into the fabric of Re-established Society, because then it looks like they’re condoning Antisocial Behavior™. 

This usually means that The Outsider has to be gotten rid of somehow. For most of literary history, that means that The Fallen Woman, or The Gay has to die–for the Victorians, it usually meant the Fallen Woman fell ill of some kind of elegant disease and wasted away slowly. Loki got killed to fuel his valiant brother on to a Vengeful Quest™.

We, as outsiders, will have to write our own endings, because pop culture (esp Hollywood) will not do it for us. It sucks, but we are strong, and we are creative, and we will not be ashamed of who we are anymore. 

We may not have as big a budget, but we have fan fiction, and fan art, and we have each other. 

bengalaas:

lokiloveforever:

So Marvel is saying Using Loki’s death as revenge motivation for Thor. Wasn’t the story going that Loki had been tortured and tormented by Thanos into attacking New York, and the fact that this was done to his brother couldn’t have been enough motivation for Thor? No, they had to just brutally kill him off and get him out of the picture because they’re at a loss as to what to do with him. Those brilliant minds at Marvel.

Agree, plus, even if we go by the way of Thor’s character arc, his personal growth came from him setting aside his revenge fantasies and laying down his life for the protection of people of Puente Antiguo. From laying aside his sense of superiority and becoming a team member of Avengers to protect Earth. Heck, even in Ragnarok, Thor was hell-bent on returning to Asgard to protect its people from Hela. Why did they have to destroy it and make personal revenge the only ‘worthy’ motivation for him? 

I find it infinitely sad that ‘heroes’ would need it to be ‘personal’ before they muster the motivation to do the right thing and fight the big bad to protect innocent lives. It is pathetic, uninspired writing indeed.

The Russos on “Happy, Sad, Confused”

First of all, here’s the link so that you can listen for yourself if you want. And to avoid confusion about what the hell everyone is talking about.

This confirms what I’ve thought since I first saw Infinity War: that the “No resurrections this time” line was coming directly from the creators rather than just from Thanos; that the filmmakers are tired of Loki, don’t understand why fans (especially fans who aren’t members of their straight cis male target audience) find him so interesting, and are perfectly happy to disregard character in order to use him as a plot device. And they really do sound smug about it; it’s like they’re glad to be rid of this unexpected favorite of the silly fangirls whose money they’ll happily take but whose affection they don’t really want (God forbid these movies should be mistaken for chick flicks!).

Loki’s death was in no way intended to serve his character arc, regardless of what people say about how it shows that he’s redeemed himself (gotta have that good old redemption through death) and is now willing to die for Thor (which he already showed he was in TDW, ignoring Ragnarok’s retcon that he deliberately faked it). His death was made as quick and violent as possible to build up Thanos as a villain – which, btw, doesn’t even work if “the reigning villain of the Marvel Universe” has to be acting uncharacteristically stupid for Thanos to be able to kill him – and to get Thor to a place where he’s lost everything. Again. Because that totally hasn’t been done before in the first Thor movie and again in Thor: Ragnarok. In short, Loki was fridged, and not even in a plausible or helpful way.

I guess I must have been giving some credence to the theories of why Loki is still alive or will come back, because this confirmation makes me feel sick. I don’t know if I’m going to boycott the MCU entirely… but I’m definitely going to make an effort to watch the things I want to watch without paying. And I’m definitely not going to see Avengers 4 until I know what they end up doing with Loki, why there’s that flashback, etc.

So apparently the Russo Brothers are actually a huge pile of SHIT

fangirlingsince1901:

Seems like the shitty brothers confirmed that they killed off Loki (and Heimdall) permanently to give Thor some motivation. I mean, REALLY????

This is exactly the fandom’s worst nightmare. A very bad OOC death scene which turned Loki into a cosmic JOKE.

 And I told myself hundreds of time that it’d end just like this. So many clever ideas all around, about how and why Loki did what he did; they all made a whole lot of sense but that scene was just a case of very bad writing. Not the first, not the last. 

Also, so many gorgeous ficwriters doing justice to such an amazing character, young people, unexperienced people with so many good ideas, but NO. Those ridiculsly overpaid jerks had to take one of the most complex character and one of the most gorgeous actors ever and turn it all into a pile of shit just like they are. 

I’m so fucking mad. I hope everything is a big misunderstanding, but my hopes are very very very little 😦

I’ll probably edit this stupid rant later, now excuse me while i go punching someone.

Ok, edit to add:

THIS is the podcast that ruined everything marvel for me

HERE is a petiton to bring back Loki I came across a few days ago. I thought it was fun, now it could be useful to tell the Russo to go fuck themselves. Also, it already has almost 15000 signatures. Wow!

OK, I think this might answer my last question.