i don’t believe in the old “ooh directors are in charge of every aspect of a movie” chestnut but damn the russo brothers on this press tour rn are exhibiting roughly the behavior of two frat bros laughing about what “total bitches” their girlfriends are directly outside and in hearing distance of the dorm room of the aforementioned girlfriends. like what kind of weird postgame victory lap is this I’ve never seen anything like it….i would ask why they keep shitting where they eat so intensely but marvel made its coin regardless so saying whatever to the fans doesn’t matter now i guess
marvel made its coin regardless so saying whatever to the fans doesn’t matter now i guess
Marvel has never given a shit about their fans. The number of people who stay obsessed with the movies/characters, who write fic, make vids, roleplay, cosplay, and buy merch is a pretty small percentage of the people who actually go see the movies. Why the fuck do they need to care what we want or think?
To all the people saying “the Russo brothers and Markus & McFeely are smart, they wouldn’t kill Loki in such a stupid way and leave all these hints that he might still be alive”:
They’re not that smart. Civil War was terrible; The Winter Soldier wasn’t as great as everyone says it was; and hello, have you seen what they did with Infinity War? Even aside from Loki’s stupid death, I mean. Thanos’s “sympathetic” Malthusian worldview? Fridging Gamora for Quill’s AND Thanos’s Manpain™? Our heroes deciding that a whole bunch of Wakandans can die so that Vision doesn’t have to because “we don’t trade lives” (right…)?
Markus & McFeely wrote Thor: The Dark World, which had a really weak main plot and not that much involvement from Loki until Joss Whedon was brought in as a script doctor and added more for reshoots.
Markus & McFeely originally intended to kill Loki permanently in TDW but Feige made an executive decision to bring him back because of his popularity with fans at the time. His mainstream popularity has (I think) waned since then (partly due to the deliberate diminution and demeaning of his character in Ragnarok).
I wouldn’t be surprised if M&M wanted to finish the job they started in TDW. They fridged Frigga to bring Thor and Loki together through Manpain; they had every intention of fridging Loki permanently for the sake of Thor’s Manpain.
Until further notice, I have decided that in the fictional world of the MCU, “Infinity War” did not happen. Neither did “Thor: Ragnarok.” I don’t know exactly what did happen because I don’t know how to write comic book movie plots, but it’s vaguely like all my most hopeful imaginings of what the movies would be like. It’s like an author died before finishing a series and left very scant notes on what was coming next.
In the real world, the movies do exist, and I will continue to express my anger at Taika Waititi, Chris Hemsworth, Markus & McFeely, the Russo brothers, and Kevin Feige when I feel it would be helpful to vent. But their work is like that unauthorized second part of Don Quixote: an absurd forgery that has marred the reputations of the characters and of the real artist(s) who created them.
While I’m at it, I might as well add “Captain America: Civil War” to the list. I don’t know exactly what Tony and Steve fought about, but it was a lot more substantive than the personal vendetta crap those hacks gave us. Though maybe we should be glad they didn’t try to touch on serious issues about right to privacy vs. right to know and voluntary vs. involuntary enhancement, since they think (their version of) Steve’s self-certainty is moral courage while Tony’s doubt is sin, and when they try to go “philosophical,” they give us Thanos’s Malthusian bullshit and try to convince us it’s compelling and sympathetic.
Until further notice, I have decided that in the fictional world of the MCU, “Infinity War” did not happen. Neither did “Thor: Ragnarok.” I don’t know exactly what did happen because I don’t know how to write comic book movie plots, but it’s vaguely like all my most hopeful imaginings of what the movies would be like. It’s like an author died before finishing a series and left very scant notes on what was coming next.
In the real world, the movies do exist, and I will continue to express my anger at Taika Waititi, Chris Hemsworth, Markus & McFeely, the Russo brothers, and Kevin Feige when I feel it would be helpful to vent. But their work is like that unauthorized second part of Don Quixote: an absurd forgery that has marred the reputations of the characters and of the real artist(s) who created them.
So even if Loki comes back at the end of Avengers 4 can we all agree on what a horrible waste of writing sidelining/killing him in the first 15 minutes of this movie was? Where are my continued petty exchanges with Strange? Taking Wanda under his wing? Teaming up with Gamora and Nebula to take down their abuser? Being Stabby BFFs with Nebula? Fighting side by side by Thor and the other Avengers he tried to take down however many movies ago? Like just imagine Steve’s face when Loki blocks an attack meant for him. Amazing.
We could have taken this atonement/reconciliation deal and taken it full circle, defending a planet Purple Testicle made him invade in the first place. Like…how is killing him in the first 15 minutes anywhere close to the most interesting choice we could have done with this character?
*rolls eyes* I really, really don’t care what the Russos are saying. Most of Marvel can’t tell a good story to save their life and can’t identify what makes their characters interesting. I mean, these are the same people who shove Bucky into everything, yet never develop his character. These are the same people who think one of Cap’s best qualities is his unwillingness to consider he might be wrong. They are a bunch of idiotic white cisgender men pandering to idiotic white cisgender men. They can all suck my dick.
I’m going to ignore whatever ridiculous fucking end they force Thor to be content with, and ignore their depowering of Loki. They have nothing but contempt for the characters I love, and, in turn, I have nothing but contempt for the stories they create.
The only reason I care is that it tells me what to expect… and confirms me in my suspicions about their contempt for Loki, Hiddleston, and fans of both (the character and the actor).
Does this mean that people on this hellsite will stop fawning over the Russo brothers (and by extension Markus and McFeely)?
A couple of thoughts I had after I listened to this interview by Russos:
– If you’re killing off a character, and audience doesn’t believe it, you’re doing something wrong.
– If you’re killing off a character, and have to break the 4th wall by using another character as your voice to tell the audience this is true, you’re doing something wrong.
– If you have to do the previous twice, you’re doing something wrong.
– If you have to kill of 7/8 of a race to make your character more interesting and human, you’re doing something wrong.
– If you think you have to kill the character to complete their arc, you’re wrong.
All of this infuriates me. You can’t just ignore the fact that Loki has a huge fanbase just because you don’t want them to exist, especially when they are partially responsible for the success of the franchise.
Loki is the Philosopher King 