Tag: fuck markus and mcfeely

loptrlaufey:

Why was Loki’s * alleged * death the most brutal and disgusting scene in the movie?
The expression in his eyes. It hurts so bad. ;_; 

edited with photoshop*

Because Marvel hates him and his fans. They can’t figure him out because he doesn’t fit neatly into a hero/villain schema; they think his fans are just a bunch of airheaded horny fangirls, and Marvel is not here to service female desire unless it falls in line with cishet male power fantasies. They killed him brutally for shock value (to show how dangerous Thanos is, because Loki’s attempt to fight him was *so* effective…) and for their unimaginative idea of what Thor’s arc and motivation should be.

So in Avengers: Assemble Loki was able not only to fool Thor but Coulson with not 1 but 2 illusions one of which was TANGIBLE and stabs Coulson but Marvel expects me to believe that in IW my baby just came at Thanos with a butter knife and didn’t have a plan? Nah Bro.

Correction: the Loki that stabbed Coulson wasn’t an illusion. There were 2 illusions: the one that appeared to be escaping the cell when Thor approached, and the one that was threatening Thor with dropping the cage when Coulson showed up with the big gun. It was the real Loki that then came up behind Coulson to stab him with the scepter and then gestured at it as if to say “Sorry I couldn’t have gotten here in person sooner; I needed to retrieve my scepter.”

But the basic point stands. Joss Whedon is smart enough to write Loki; Markus & McFeely are morons.

juliabohemian:

lokiloveforever:

So Marvel is saying Using Loki’s death as revenge motivation for Thor. Wasn’t the story going that Loki had been tortured and tormented by Thanos into attacking New York, and the fact that this was done to his brother couldn’t have been enough motivation for Thor? No, they had to just brutally kill him off and get him out of the picture because they’re at a loss as to what to do with him. Those brilliant minds at Marvel.

That awkward moment when your character has more class than your entire franchise and you need to dispose of him to make everything else look good.

But first they needed to make an entire movie devoted to stripping him of all the class, dignity, and pathos he had previously possessed.

They shouldn’t have pissed off Joss Whedon. He knew how to make all the central characters, including Loki, interesting in their own ways without any of them completely eclipsing any other. Markus & McFeely and the Russos are too clumsy to do that balancing act. Tony ended up being more compelling and sympathetic than Cap in what was officially a Cap movie, but the creators seem not to be aware of that.

jebbifurzz:

If the heroes are up against the big bad villain, the allies with intel on him are their most important assets.

Avengers: Infinity War – big bad villain is Thanos

The MOST IMPORTANT characters for our heroes’ victory, therefore, SHOULD be Gamora, Nebula, and Loki.

Loki dies in the first 5 minutes of the film to fuel manpain for a man who has already been in pain, Gamora dies to show gross “manpain” of her abuser/kidnapper/killer, and Nebula is shown for only two minutes being totured by said abuser.

Without these important characters, the remaining heroes are never able to properly, knowingly, fight against Thanos. All they’re able to do is react to the attacks from Thanos as they occur.

Like, I understand that a proper story needs to get to that point where everything seems to be lost, the eleventh hour where the characters are in the direst of straits, before the eventual victory. But if all the characters with intel on the villain need to be killed off or incapacitated, so that the rest of the characters just run around reacting instead of planning, in order for the villain to get to that point of apparent victory, then that whole conflict is just cheapened.

It’s the heroes deliberately being debased by the writers so the villain can reach that point of success.

lucianalight:

shine-of-asgard:

shine-of-asgard:

I’ve read some spoilers going around for IW2 and let me tell you: they sound both credible and barf-worthy. If you think you hated what the Russo did with Loki in IW1 believe me, the spoilers for the future are worse.

First of all, i’d like to say sorry for upsetting anyone. I was upset myself, still am. The link is under, read at your own discretion. I found the info credible as it’s in line with some other spoilers posted before by people who were somewhat credible about IW1. It has bits about many characters and (for the first time) stuff about Loki in IW2 that is in accord to the photos taken during filming.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/8kybhi/avengers_4_info/

This settles it.

NO MARVEL THIS TIME.

Marvel is dead. Long live Loki.

“Later, Loki reconvenes with Thanos and explains they have uncovered his machination to collect the stones, so he acts sooner”???

WTF?! Why would he do that? Is that supposed to be while Loki is still on Earth and corresponding occasionally with the Other, before the Avengers defeat him? Or does he do this when he’s back on Asgard? If the latter, why the fuck would he still be helping Thanos??

I already thought Markus & McFeely were dimwitted hacks, but honestly… they have a consistent habit of throwing character out the window for the sake of plot machinations and/or action setpieces.

ancientstone:

Wait Thanos’ line “No resurrections this time”

Thanos wasn’t there for Dark World, and I doubt that he and Loki had coffee before he attacked the Asgardian ship

The only time he has had interaction with Loki was between Thor 1 and Avengers

Does that mean that when he fell from the Bifrost, Loki actually died?

I’m pretty sure it means that line was a 4th-wall break and it was the creators telling Loki’s fans not to get their hopes up and also “fuck you.”

juliabohemian:

philosopherking1887:

lokiloveforever:

starrynightfantasies:

thefunniestangel-inthegarrison:

« No resurrection this time »

Anyone else felt this line was said directly for them during the movie ? Like : « yes you we know you we have your Tumblr and we know you are going to deny that is dead and obsessed on all the theories that he survives so don’t waste your time really » 😂☹️☹️☹️

But i am still like :

Yeah. I felt personally attacked.

The entire death scene, and that line added was made most definitely, especially, just for us.

We’re not the fans they’re looking for.

Yeah the thing about that though. A large chunk of the Thor fanbase are simply Loki fans. Loki basically carried the first two films and the film Avengers film. And I mean no disrespect to Mr. Hemsworth. It’s just that TH is THAT compelling. Loki was completely emasculated and nerfed in the third Thor film, but bazillions of Loki fans went to see it anyway, because Loki.

It’s peculiar concept for filmmakers to punish their fans for liking their movies for the wrong reasons.

And yet they do it. Comic book writers deliberately “douchebro” characters to alienate female fans. No girls in the treehouse.

lokiloveforever:

starrynightfantasies:

thefunniestangel-inthegarrison:

« No resurrection this time »

Anyone else felt this line was said directly for them during the movie ? Like : « yes you we know you we have your Tumblr and we know you are going to deny that is dead and obsessed on all the theories that he survives so don’t waste your time really » 😂☹️☹️☹️

But i am still like :

Yeah. I felt personally attacked.

The entire death scene, and that line added was made most definitely, especially, just for us.

We’re not the fans they’re looking for.

shine-of-asgard:

epic-penguin-cupcakes:

“Loki’s death makes sense. His story was at an end. What would they have even done with him moving forward?”

I see this a lot, and it’s funny. It’s funny in the same way that people still believing that Loki is a villain is painfully comical. There’s such a lack of understanding for this character and so many people’s brains just seem to shut down completely when his future in the MCU is brought up. 

So, what might we have gotten if the Russos hadn’t chosen to off him for cheap shock value? 

An exploration of his heritage. 

Now imagine if Captain America or Brace Banner had some incredibly powerful hidden ability that the MCU had not yet utilized or ever touched upon since it’s original discovery. You’d expect for Marvel to eventually explore this at some point, right? Then why is this somehow not the case with Loki’s undeveloped frost giant abilities?

Working with the Avengers.

As soon as I walked out of the theater in 2012, my mind was wondering what it would be like if Loki had been fighting alongside the Avengers rather than against them. Ragnarok had set up the potential for just that: Loki being forced to ally himself with his former enemies – Cue the snarky banter with Tony Stark, a magical team up with Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange, surprising even himself when he instinctively shoves Clint out of the way of an oncoming attack… THIS would have brought his original arc full circle. If they really wanted to kill him off, then he should have died while protecting the planet he’d once attempted to rule. Though really, why does a villain need to die to be redeemed? You shouldn’t follow the norm just because it’s the norm. That’s just lazy writing.

Betraying Thanos.

It’s kind of Loki’s “thing”. He betrays people who have put their trust in him. Usually it’s the good guys who pay the price for his deceptions, but wouldn’t it have been interesting to see Loki’s talents turned upon the big bad? Giving Loki the role that Mephisto had in the comics (serving as an advisor to Thanos before betraying him) would have been ideal in this scenario. In no way is attacking Thanos head-on with a tiny knife intelligent. Loki should’ve been better than this.

Reconciliation with Thor.

There is no Thor without Loki. There is no Loki without Thor. Ragnarok gave us two brothers who were finally at peace with each other in the end and prepared to move forward together. An exploration of their relationship as siblings really trying to get along despite their differences would have been a breath of fresh air, to be honest. Thor is king, but every king needs an advisor. What better advisor to have than your own brother?

Mastering his own mind.

Hiddleston has claimed that something he would have liked to explore with Loki and see the character do if he’d survived Infinity War was to conquer his own mind, because Loki doesn’t know his own mind. He’s mentally unstable and plagued by feelings of self-disgust. Hiddleston has outright claimed that Loki deep down doesn’t really like himself. The character finally coming to terms with himself and discovering his place in the universe could have been a nice arc for the character to complete moving forward, perhaps fully settling into the role of anti-hero and accepting that his chaotic side can still be used for good rather than evil.

The Marvel cinematic universe’s first openly LGBTQ character.

The Russos claim that Marvel wants to work with stories that speak to where society is at today, and yet they still chose to kill one of their only two queer-coded characters. That’s not what today’s society wants. Why not make MCU history and give Loki a boyfriend? Hell, why not make cinematic history and let Loki be openly genderfluid? They could have done for LGBTQ people with Loki what was done for people of color with Black Panther. They could have given a marginalized group of people much needed representation. Instead, Loki, a bisexual and genderfluid character was killed to move along one of Marvel’s many cishet characters’ revenge arcs. 

You make too much sense, which is how I know all your proposals are way beyond Marvel.

everydayiztumberling:

Source https://www.themarysue.com/thor-supporting-cast-got-burned/

“While Infinity War played him right in not betraying his brother in the end, the rest of Loki’s death makes little sense for his character. Over the years we’ve learned that Loki is a genius sorcerer with a deep self-preservation streak and an endless bag of tricks.

“Then, in Infinity War, we’re supposed to believe that he would choose to attack Thanos with a tiny knife. This is like bringing idiocy to a gunfight. Loki is the only person on the Asgardian vessel who knows exactly who Thanos is and what he’s capable of, and yet the audience is meant to accept that his final move would be a stupid one with zero chance of success.

“It doesn’t fit, and it’s not worthy of the character or Hiddleston. Loki’s death is also the most egregiously violent in Infinity War, like the Russos just really needed to twist those screws on Thor’s very bad day. [My editorial insertion: or rather, on Loki’s silly fangirls.]

“[…] And while many of the dusted Infinity War folks will somehow be resurrected in Avengers 4, Thor’s characters died real deaths and are almost certainly not coming back. This seems like a huge waste, especially if all of this murder is merely there to make Thor sad and angry and committed to bringing down Thanos. Let’s be real—he would’ve done that anyway. The MCU didn’t need to remove absolutely everyone associated with him so callously.”