Gamora straight up being introduced as the last of her people in gotg and then the infinity war turning around and saying that ACTUALLY her planet is thriving because of Thanos’ genocide and that Gamora should be grateful that he murdered her family and took her away is uhhhhhh …. vile
joe russo saying thor is to blame for the ending of infinity war (just as much as fucking thanos???) because he didnt aim for the head is SO Rich considering he Fucking Wrote It But ALSO bc thor, as ive learned just now by watching a compilation of all his fight scenes on youtube, has historically ALWAYS aimed for the head when dealing with a Threat. so Lads…
Welcome to my TEDx talk: Thor has NEVER done anything wrong Ever in his Life
thor 1 (0:04-0:25)thor is fighting some wack ass aliens. hits them in the chest and shoulders mostly. one of the aliens knocks thor down, proves himself to be an Actual Threat and Thor Immediately Aims For The HEAD
thor 1 (1:34-2:04)thor fighting a bunch of nerds again, mostly just flipping them over, hes lowkey panicking but still is going easy on them until this dude Drops Thor, declaring himself a threat and Thor Punches Him In The FACE
thor 1 (2:40-2:53) this one doesnt really count, he went for the dudes head bc thats where his power was but Regardless He Still Went For The HEAD
(also to note, loki Stay doing stupid shit in this movie (and also every other movie) but thor Never goes for his head in fights because he recognizes that as a Fatal Blow )
thor 2 (8:51-9:08) thor is seen fighting a bunch of losers, flipping them over, hitting them in the chest, etc, but as soon as he gets to the actual villain? Immediate Lightning Bolt To The FACE
thor 2 (10:14-10:25) once again hes fighting the actual villain: aims For The HEAD
age of ultron (13:44-13:52) when trying to kill ultron. thor aims where? ultrons HEAD
(and theres others in between too im just too tired to list them all.)
and to say he Purposely messed up because he wanted to rub it into thanos face???? since when is thor Petty like that?? in fact I Know he Isnt bc i Just watched the thor 2 scene where he fights the man he thinks killed his brother and isnt Dumb about it. And then with hela in thor 3 (who destroyed his Home, destroyed his hammer and fucked up his eye) , besides a few one liners he doesnt do dumb shit despite dying inside.
and Joe is over here trying to tell me thor takes the Full Force of A Star almost killing Himself in infinity war just to be Stupid at the end bc he wants to rub it in??? get out
TLDR: thor Would Have Killed Thanos at the end of infinity war if they Wanted him to BUT they Didnt want him to (because they wanted to make a part 2)
and Now theyre just pointing fingers bc it Doesnt make sense
In Conclusion, russos, Meet Me Outside .
Correction: Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely wrote it, not the Russos. (Forgetting about screenwriters is a pet peeve of mine.)
“So, I’ve known about that scene for two years.[…] My whole journey through making Thor: Ragnarok — I knew this was coming. By the end of Thor: Ragnarok, Loki has been accepted as Thor’s brother again. When I came to shoot the scene in Infinity War, I think it’s very powerful he calls himself an Odinson, and that closes the whole journey of Loki and what he can do. It [Loki’s death] set the stakes up emotionally. It takes the stakes up dramatically.”
— Tom Hiddleston
“that closes the whole journey of Loki and what he can do”
Only because Marvel artificially made that the close: made the telos of Loki’s existence consist in dissolving his being into Thor’s; made him a function of Thor, a cog or a symbol in Thor’s journey rather than a person in his own right. He was a person up through TDW. Hiddleston gave him a depth and roundness few of the heroes possess. Marvel decided that wasn’t what they wanted from Loki.
Interviews like this really make it sound like his death in IW was final.
a theory nobody needs, not even me, and a rant i did and you do too
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during the pr frenzy for A4 just prior to release, there was an acknowledgment/suggestion that Loki was on the boring villain’s side.
now, they will have him in A4, so we will see him in that film. however, all onset photos have only shown Loki in A1 gear, battlescars, hair, and all. none of any of his other costuming, grooming choices from any other timeline have surfaced that i am aware of. feel free to send me set pics to dispute as i would love to be disproved and dgaf about any spoilers, but i digress…
so why would they bother with that pr red herring of him allying with the purple thumb?
unless they were referring solely to his past conscripted alliance during A1.
again, i am not certain i want to ascribe too much clever maneuvering to come in A4 for him or frim them.
i think they were being disrespectful of the character in the press. like they were publicly sharing an inside joke at the expense of nearly 10 years of character development and the character’s fans. i do not think they were being subtle with foreshadowing. i believe them when they said they did not know what to do with the character.
in the three minutes Loki appeared in A3, he only wavered for a millisecond. it seemed to me an obvious feint to try to save himself as well as thor from the overpowered boring villain. does anybody disagree with that assessment of those three minutes? does anyone else remember wanting to cry joyfully when Loki said with conviction “We have a Hulk!” even though you just knew he was doomed cause this was the opening?
in conclusion, by the end of A4 Loki will be left dead, the creators will most likely be shown as the hamfisted, self-important fuckwits that they are, and that i will ache for something as coherent as age of ultron in comparison to A4.
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rant:
i can’t convey how happy it would make me to get alternate timelines/universes. where it would then be possible to have an actual Loki film be a viable option and not only a kid Loki film, but all the Lokis, agent of asgard, occasional antagonist and ally to the avengers, Lady Loki showing up, just a Loki film with his Loki powers, doing Loki things.
i would love for massive realities to be opened to us and the filmmakers. instead we are getting everything shut down. think about it. we could have different Tony Starks in different timelines, iron heart showing up, a black widow or hawkeye spy film(we could find out wtf happened in Budapest!), lady thor, new asgard, professor hulk, we could have reboots without them being reboots or remakes. do you understand what i am trying to say???!? actors aging or timing out of contracts be damned. the characters would still go on, the actors could have cheeky cameos in alternate future works, no one would be chained to a single canon, and so many more stories could be told in a multiverse.
WHERE IS MY MULTIVERSE!
but all the russos know how to do is tear things down, apart. they do not build a story. they wreck things where they could create and believe their audience to be idiots.
still not with me on this? let me try an analogy. have you ever had any deconstructed food? it is where a “chef” breaks down a dish into it’s base components and then rearranges it and serves it to you like it is some sort of revelation. still having trouble?
imagine that a plate with a few cooked ripple edged flat noodles, a tiny bowl of marinara, two skewered sausage balls, an edible decorative sculpture of ricotta mouse with some mozzarella, parsley, and parmesan edging the plate is lasagna. NO.
and don’t let them tell you that you’re just not savvy enough to appreciate it, you just don’t get it. if you are promised lasagna and get 250 calories of edible decoration it’s okay to complain about it, cause that ain’t lasagna. it’s not even a good snack.
i am convinced this is what they will be offering us.
here’s your avengers, hope you like it.
/rant
Why did you bring this back? Are you trying to make me sad? I thought we were friends.
“Hamfisted, self-important fuckwits” is exactly right.
Ugh, I really don’t like it when people reblog stuff about Loki’s death scene in Infinity War as if it’s touching or redemptive. It was just stupid. He would have done Thor a lot more good if he’d actually tried to be a mole in Thanos’s campaign and pull another long con. As far as he knew, Thanos was just going to kill Thor as soon as he’d killed Loki; he did, in fact, leave Thor to die, and Thor was just lucky the Guardians happened to be close by. If Loki had actually tried to make a go of the double-cross, Thanos might have kept Thor alive to use as leverage over Loki. Which would not have been fun for either of them, but at least Loki would have known that he was safe-ish, and it would have bought both of them time to figure out a way to get the better of Thanos.
I’m never going to write that better version of Infinity War, because I don’t really know how to write comic book movies and also I don’t have time. But in my head there’s a vague version of what it would have been like if Joss Whedon had been writing it, including Loki pretending to be on Thanos’s side for most of the movie(s) and setting up some truly ingenious way to betray him at the end. And maybe he would then die heroically or maybe he would actually survive to start over with Thor, I don’t know. But his arc would have been worthy of the character as Hiddleston, Miller & Stentz, Branagh, and Whedon had established him.
Oh, and we would have found out WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED with Loki and Thanos in between “Thor 1” and “The Avengers.”
I think that some people are choosing to interpret aspects of that scene as touching or redemptive because it makes them feel better. Because the alternative is embracing that it was utterly pointless and that Loki’s death was just torture porn, a plot device to hype Thanos as a villain and to fuel Thor’s manpain. And that is a bitter pill to swallow.
What I mostly can’t handle are posts that say shit like:
Aww…isn’t it sweet how Odin forgave Loki in Ragnarok. No. Because that’s not what actually happened at all. And Loki’s list of grievances against Odin are far greater than anything Odin might hold against him. One might be able to argue that Odin voluntarily stayed in exile because he realized what a piece of shit he was and felt guilty about it. Perhaps Odin learned what happened to Loki when he fell from the Bifrost and felt bad for imprisoning him. But since nothing was explicitly stated, we can’t know that for sure.
Aww…isn’t is touching how Thor forgave Loki at the end of Ragnarok. No. Because that’s not what happened. Loki realized that in order to make things work with Thor, he would have to set aside his long list of valid grievances and accept that Thor was simply never going to understand his suffering. Thor was never going to understand him. And Loki finally embraced that his quest to be regarded Thor’s equal was a futile one. This isn’t to say Thor is a bad person either. Just that he doesn’t have the capacity to accept or understand what Loki has experienced or to give him what he needs. As I have stated in previous meta, Thor is a product of a flawed society and flawed parenting, just as Loki is.
Aww…isn’t it sweet how Heimdall accepted Loki at the end of Ragnarok. Well no. Because that’s not what really happened either. Heimdall is no saint in all of this, although I suspect he’s a good deal more responsible than most of the people who surround him. He is aware of a lot more than anyone else too. Meaning he has no plausible deniability. He should have been aware of at least SOME degree of Loki’s interaction with Thanos, even if he didn’t see any of the possible torture or abuse. He was also probably aware that Odin chose to stay on Earth, instead of reclaiming the throne, and of all the positive things that Loki did while posing as Odin (such as separating infinity stones and sending them far away) which is why he does not attempt to arrest Loki for his deception.
Aww…isn’t it cute how Loki accepted who he was in IW? No, it’s not cute. Yes, I do believe that Loki said Odinson and looked at Thor as a way of saying “we are brothers, regardless of all the other bullshit”. It may have been his way of saying goodbye. But a lot of his dialogue during this scene comes from a place of deep dysfunction. Thor’s last words to Loki are words of disapproval. Which is appropriate, since the bulk of their exchanged dialogue is basically Thor either judging or disapproving of Loki in some capacity. Loki accepting that he is Jotun is good, in a way. But it still does not address the racism that prevented him from doing so sooner. Loki stating that he is the god of mischief is actually rather confusing. Because the word mischief implies a lack of purpose. It implies just doing random shit for laughs. And that is actually the opposite of the Loki we saw prior to Ragnarok.
People interpret things in a way that comforts them. A lack of continuity is frustrating. So they will knit things together in a way that makes them feel consistent, even if they are most certainly not.
I mean, Thor was also a victim of unbelievably shitty writing – or should I say “writing”? since so much was improvised or just dictated on the spot by TW – in Ragnarok.
Ugh, I really don’t like it when people reblog stuff about Loki’s death scene in Infinity War as if it’s touching or redemptive. It was just stupid. He would have done Thor a lot more good if he’d actually tried to be a mole in Thanos’s campaign and pull another long con. As far as he knew, Thanos was just going to kill Thor as soon as he’d killed Loki; he did, in fact, leave Thor to die, and Thor was just lucky the Guardians happened to be close by. If Loki had actually tried to make a go of the double-cross, Thanos might have kept Thor alive to use as leverage over Loki. Which would not have been fun for either of them, but at least Loki would have known that he was safe-ish, and it would have bought both of them time to figure out a way to get the better of Thanos.
I’m never going to write that better version of Infinity War, because I don’t really know how to write comic book movies and also I don’t have time. But in my head there’s a vague version of what it would have been like if Joss Whedon had been writing it, including Loki pretending to be on Thanos’s side for most of the movie(s) and setting up some truly ingenious way to betray him at the end. And maybe he would then die heroically or maybe he would actually survive to start over with Thor, I don’t know. But his arc would have been worthy of the character as Hiddleston, Miller & Stentz, Branagh, and Whedon had established him.
Oh, and we would have found out WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED with Loki and Thanos in between “Thor 1” and “The Avengers.”
Loki is the Philosopher King 