I’ve seen a few threads recently arguing that adults don’t belong in digital fan spaces because tumblr and the like are for young people, and I’ve finally put my finger on why this perspective unsettles me so much: because it perfectly mirrors the argument that queer adults – or queer things in general, really – are a creepy, corrupting influence on kids. Given how queer so much fandom content is, especially online, this might seem counter-intuitive, but one of the biggest culturally conditioned fears we have is that there’s something inherently predatory about older queer folx interacting with younger queer folx, because obviously queerness is inherently sexual and therefore something something power dynamics, right?
But the thing is, we’re missing a huge chunk of what should be the visible adult queer community because of the AIDS epidemic, ostracism, suicide and other shit like DADT that keeps or kept people closeted. Which is a big part of why so many younger queer folx don’t know queer history, or have only a passing acquaintance with it: because so many of the people who ought to have handed that knowledge down are missing or dead, or were otherwise kept from speaking. Which is why, in turn, we keep seeing resurgent waves of queer discourse – again, on places like tumblr – where younger people are, without knowing what came before them, both reinventing the wheel and making sweeping, inaccurate statements about their (very truncated view of) community history.
Because that’s the thing: for any culture or a community to survive, you need someone to transmit the history. Adults, elders, historians, senior figures, whatever – you need to keep records, you need people who are invested for the long haul, and above all you need a sense that what you’re building is important or worthwhile enough that it deserves to perpetuate itself. The community itself might change over the years, along with its dominant philosophies and expressions, but these are shifts that happen, not because knowledge has been lost, but because it has increased.
And look. I could go on a whole separate rant about how Western society is increasingly age-segregated in a bunch of unhealthy ways, and why that’s warping our collective memories. The idea that Teen Stuff and Adult Stuff shouldn’t overlap hasn’t sprung up in a vacuum. But fandom is not, should not be and never has been equivalent to the ephemeral, viral shifts of kid culture, the hopscotch games and nursery rhymes and songs and slang that children transmit to each other and then immediately outgrow, so that all subsequent reminiscence of them is detached from participation or up-to-date knowledge, unless obtained secondhand.
Not all adults in fandom are queer, nor is all of fandom queer. But online, in contexts where we’re talking largely about fanfic/fanart rather than convention spaces, and where there’s demonstrable overlap with other areas of queer and feminist discourse, fandom is one of the few arenas in which queer adults routinely interact with queer teens. And particularly knowing there are people in fandom who express a love of queer ships but discomfort with IRL queerness otherwise, it does not sit well with me to see a “But Think Of The Children!” argument being used to suggest that the people who create and maintain fandom are acting inappropriately by doing so.
Tag: fuck antis
i have met five year olds with a better grasp on critical thinking, human nature, and the creative mind than every single anti ive ever seen
you are so wrong, anti’s are the most critical thinking people I’ve ever met…sure they have a tendency of cursing in their blogs but anti’s are what you’d call critics. Literary criticism is actually a field of study by the way.
Um, no. My exact problem with antis is that they are NOT doing any proper criticizing. They misuse buzzwords to guilt trip anyone who doesn’t follow their rhetoric. You try to talk it out with them and nope, you’re terrible/bad/wrong and ‘just trying to get away with keeping your nasty fiction’. Antis know fucking nothing about proper critiquing of the subject matter they love to fucking harass and suicide bait people over. If they were just properly analyzing literature I would have zero problem with them whatsoever but their movement (meaning of course its not every single person who might call themselves ‘anti’ bc they probs don’t know the disgusting reputation other people with that label are developing for themselves on this hellsite) is based on purity culture, bullying, telling people to ‘piss their pants’ and generally acting worse than 5 year olds because they can’t understand that not everyone sees fictional topics in the same way they do and they can’t for the life of them keep in mind that its NOT THEIR BUSINESS TO POLICE OTHER PEOPLE’S FICTIONAL DESIRES. So….sorry. If you really agree with antis after I’ve said all this then I have nothing more to say to you at all, ever.
I know most people use “criticism” to mean “saying bad things about something,” regardless of the tone or depth of the bad things. But if you’re going to use “criticism” in that loose, colloquial way, you can’t then turn around and appeal to the academic discipline of literary criticism as if it’s the same sense of the word.
The discipline of “literary criticism” is not about crapping on great works of literature. It’s not even (primarily) about pointing out how socially Problematic™ they are (though that has become a major theme in recent decades…). It’s about sensitively interpreting literary works, drawing out non-obvious meanings, making connections with the historical context or other works of literature that shed light on the significance of features of the work. Have you ever seen an anti do that? I don’t think so.