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@philosopherking1887​ The Casket is still around. We see it when Hela’s in the Vault and she specifically notes that it’s not fake but rather “weak”, so there’s absolutely no reason he couldn’t have grabbed it and done exactly this except that Thor and Loki had to be useless for the first 10 minutes of the film so that the plot could progress.

@foundlingmother I guess I forgot that because so much of that movie was worth forgetting… and I absolutely refuse to rewatch it. Something else they retconned or just weren’t paying attention to… I didn’t notice that the Casket was being used to freeze the Bifrost open until a Tumblr post called my attention to it; I thought the Observatory was just frozen because it was connected to Jotunheim. But given that the Casket was still in the Vault… the quick-thinking, forward-planning Loki of previous films would have grabbed it and saved it and pulled it out to use it in a pinch, as he did with Heimdall. Another example of how Markus & McFeely had to make him stupid so they could use him as an emotional manipulation device.

I wish you would write a fic where… Loki’s either raised on Jotunheim or raised on Asgard, knowingly a hostage/ward in Odin’s household. These are common plots in the Thorki fandom, but with how you blend philosophy into your writing and seeing the story you’ve been writing most recently, I know I’d be fascinated by your take on these AUs.

Thanks! I keep toying with the idea of a Game of Thrones/ASOIAF AU where Loki is effectively in Theon’s position – a hostage for his father’s good behavior – and then finds himself in the impossible situation Theon did in season/book 2: Thor (Robb in this scenario) is waging war and sends Loki to ask for Laufey’s assistance, and Laufey demands that Loki support him in revolt against Asgard. Most people hate Theon for “betraying” Robb, and he definitely didn’t handle the situation well – plus he was characterized as a jerk in ways that can’t be chalked up to his challenging social position – but I’ve always maintained that he had no good options once his father announced he was renewing his rebellion. I think if I put a more sympathetic character like Loki (though he is also kind of a jerk, in different ways) in the same situation, people might get why I didn’t hate Theon, even before he became too pathetic to hate.

Of course the whole thing would be complicated by the fact that Odin never let Loki forget his subordinate and precarious position, while Frigga treated him as another son and he and Thor are like not-entirely-equal brothers who become not-entirely-equal lovers. (Do I ship Robb/Theon? Maybe…)

For the fandom ask: the X-Men side of Marvel?

Thanks for asking! I’ve only seen the X-Men movies, I haven’t read the comics, so this isn’t as informed as it might be…

Favorite Female: Eesh… probably Raven a.k.a. Mystique, in both the older and the newer movies, but they don’t manage to make the female characters very likable… Unless the Deadpool movies count, in which case Domino. Or maybe Laura from Logan.

Favorite Male: Erik Lehnsherr a.k.a. Magneto

3 Other Favorite Characters: Charles Xavier~Professor X, Peter Maximoff~Quicksilver, Logan~Wolverine (not very original, I know)

3 OTPs: Cherik (Charles/Erik) is #1, obviously. (Isn’t it a contradiction in terms to have more than one OTP, since it stands for “One True Pairing”?) Erik/Raven is also good as a temporary ship (I imagine that Erik regards her as simultaneously a stand-in for, the opposite of, and a fuck-you to Charles). But Hank/Raven is cute, too. And rebound Charles/Hank (again, temporary). Uh oh, that’s 4.

Notp: I don’t totally hate Charles/Moira in principle, but the way it was handled in the movies was just appalling. Moira’s presence in Apocalypse felt like a massive “no homo” sign.

Funniest character: Quicksilver, in DoFP. In the Deadpool movies, probably Blind Al. In the older movies… no one was funny.

Prettiest character: James McAvoy as Charles Xavier (I hesitate to call Michael Fassbender “pretty”)

Most Annoying Character: I’m not a fan of either Summers brother. Or Sophie Turner as Jean Grey in Apocalypse. (I’m not a fan of that movie in general.)

Most badass character: Probably Storm. She controls the weather, FFS.

Character I’d like as my BFF: Can I say Domino? Yeah, Deadpool has X-Men in it. Or Negasonic Teenage Warhead, what a name.

Female Character I’d Marry: Domino

Male Character I’d Marry: Oh jeez, they’re all so dysfunctional… I guess Bobby (Iceman) isn’t terrible.

Character I hate/dislike/least like: I don’t know if I really hated any characters (though see “most annoying” answer), but I definitely feel like there were a lot of wasted opportunities, especially with female characters in the new movies. Moira McTaggart was kind of a cipher/shoehorned-in het love interest; Emma Frost could have been way cooler; we could have spent more time exploring Angel and her decision to join the bad guys in First Class; Psylocke and Storm could have been characters, period. And then there’s Darwin, who should not have died. WTF, killing the token Black character.

foundlingmother replied to your post “Will you ever write a sequel to Thor: the Dark World to replace…”

That’s the worst would you rather ever… Would you rather marathon Ragnarok and IW or marathon the Hobbit movies? *shudders*

@foundlingmother I think I have more of a sense of humor about the Hobbit movies because I’m not all that emotionally invested in that universe/franchise right now. I did feel kind of disappointed because of my affection for the original Lord of the Rings movies, and kind of ashamed on behalf of Peter Jackson and co. But it was nothing like the sense of grief and betrayal I’ve felt at TR and IW.

🔥 Dessert

Oh no, dessert might be one of the few things I don’t have unpopular opinions on. Um… sometimes fruit or a cheese plate is a perfectly acceptable dessert? Sweet/savory combos are awesome? Putting basil and pepper and balsamic vinegar in ice cream and chocolate is great?

foundlingmother replied to your post “People who refer to Loki as an “over dramatic piss baby” [sic] will be…”

Before Ragnarok, I never understood how fans could ruin something for people. I enjoyed Ragnarok. I found it funny. It wasn’t the best Thor movie (terrible characterization of both Thor and Loki), but it gave me new material to play with. But the more I see people write about Loki like he’s some shallow, whiny, idiotic, rich piss baby, and dog pile on people criticizing Thor for anything, the more it’s making me sour to a movie I liked.

Yeah… I liked it at first, possibly only because it wasn’t as terrible as I was afraid it might be, but watching the fan response was a lot of what helped me realize just how terrible the characterization of Thor and Loki was. Now I can’t say that I liked it anymore, even though I did love Valkyrie and what they did with Heimdall, and I found parts of the Sakaar plotline pretty entertaining. Completely fucking up the main characters that got me into these movies in the first place can’t be compensated for with a couple of good secondary characters and a cool 80s space aesthetic.

foundlingmother replied to your post “I don’t care if it was said in jest, I genuinely want to know your…”

I’ve read very little Nietzsche. The distinctions between the good vs. bad of noble values and the good vs. evil of slave morality is interesting. Thank you for responding.

You’re welcome! I hope I haven’t scared you off… I’m not really a Nietzschean (at least not in this respect), he’s just taught me to take a more critical look at my altruistic morality and why I accept it.

I don’t care if it was said in jest, I genuinely want to know your Nietzschean views on why we enjoy that so much. Please share?

It was kind of a joke, because it’s pretty complicated, but I was also kind of asking for it, so here goes. (The question was about a parenthetical remark in my last addition to this post.)

In Beyond Good and Evil (henceforth BGE) and On the Genealogy of Morality (GM), Nietzsche draws a distinction between noble values and slave morality. (In BGE he called them “master and slave morality,” but by GM he was using the word “morality” to refer only to the slave type.) They differ both in structure and in typical content, but the structural differences are most important. Here are the typical features of each, structure first, content generalizations last:

Noble values

  1. Set up a hierarchical society divided into at least two castes, some of which are considered better than others, with the higher one(s) always being considerably smaller than the lower (a pyramid structure). Members of different castes have both different rights and different duties: different behavior is expected both toward and from members of different castes.

  2. The major value axis is good vs. bad (rather than good vs. evil), where good = noble, i.e. characteristic of the high caste(s), and bad = contemptible, common, characteristic of the low caste(s).
  3. Not everyone is supposed to be “good”; it is not expected or desired of commoners that they act like nobles.
  4. There is a strict honor-based code of discipline and mutual respect among members of the noble caste; commoners must show deference and obedience to nobles; nobles may not precisely have duties to commoners, but are expected to protect them and show generosity (noblesse oblige); nobles don’t really care how commoners treat each other as long as they don’t cause disorder.
  5. The values are usually (but not always) war-like: the noble caste is the warrior caste; their honor depends on their skill in fighting (according to a specific set of rules); the lower class is considered to be weak and cowardly, and may not even be permitted to carry weapons except upon the express command of the nobles.

Slave morality

  1. Prescribes a universal code of conduct to everyone; everyone has the same rights and duties. (The universality feature is why Nietzsche stops calling noble values a “morality.”)
  2. The major value axis is good vs. evil, where generally good = helpful, selfless, harmless and evil = violent, selfish, domineering. In other words, Nietzsche argues in GM, “good” describes the characteristic behavior of the slave caste in a noble value system, and “evil” describes the characteristic behavior of the noble caste.
  3. Ideally, everyone will become “good.” Whereas the “good” of the good/bad noble system requires the wider prevalence of the “bad” in order to maintain its prestige, the (theoretical) goal of good/evil slave morality is to eliminate evil.
  4. Typically the values are altruistic, peaceable, and egalitarian, though structurally speaking you can also have a “morality” of hedonism and selfishness.

As you probably will have figured out, Christian morality is the prototypical slave morality. Meanwhile, the societies of ancient Greece and Rome were governed by noble values, and despite the official adoption of Christianity, a basically noble value system persisted into feudal Europe. For the most part, Christianity prescribed the code of conduct for the lower classes (humility, forbearance) while the nobles maintained their own warlike codes of honor. The advent of democratic ideals, even as they seemed to come with secularization, actually represents the consistent society-wide implementation of Christian morality. Modern Leftists/progressives are now the standard-bearers for this secularized Christian morality of compassion (and I do include myself here!). Meanwhile, the people who call themselves “conservatives,” at least in the U.S., are not representatives of a noble value system so much as of the slave “morality” of selfishness I alluded to in the last point, which is basically the underpinning of capitalist society.

There are very few bastions of noble values left in contemporary society. The military is one. Criminal organizations, at least as depicted in media, are another. And that’s the entire reason why I wrote this post. Contemporary Western culture is a product of both the noble values of pre-modern Europe – both pre-Christian pagan Europe and feudal medieval Europe – and the slave moralities of Christianity and liberal democracy (now divided into the altruistic, egalitarian morality of the Left and the selfish, greed-driven morality of the Right). Some of the basic values of the noble system are still baked into our culture; we do have concern for honor and reputation, we respect people who can discipline themselves to accomplish difficult feats (whether or not those feats involve helping others, which is the whole point of altruistic morality). There’s still something appealing about a system in which an elite privileged few follow a demanding code of conduct and demonstrate mutual respect even when they’re on opposite sides of a battlefield, while to anyone else, showing consideration is a boon of mercy rather than a requirement of justice. Of course we don’t really want our whole society to look like that; we no longer believe in the rights of nobility; we don’t condone needless violence. But every once in a while we like to become imaginative tourists in that kind of value system, which is why people like to watch movies/TV shows about gangs and other warlike honor cultures.