peoplearenotdiamonds:

hiddlememes:

free-loki:

cheese-and-craziness:

Now if that’s doesn’t spark a Loki movie, I don’t know what will.

I love you for saying this.

“Not enough Loki.” -Rolling Stone

Just casually bringing this back in 2018

^^^ in which I am reminded how much I love The Dark World and detest Ragnarok

And Taika Waititi’s response to this critical consensus – probably motivated by Chris Hemsworth, and with the blessing of Kevin Feige – was to gut Loki’s character, to ridicule and emasculate him at every turn, to deprive him of the complex interiority that all of these critics love, to reduce his motivations to “I couldn’t help myself, I’m a trickster” (an actual line from the ridiculous play in Ragnarok), a.k.a. “I did it for the lulz.”

Don’t give me that “But he foregrounded Thor and Loki’s relationship!” bullshit. He reinforced and endorsed the imbalance that was always present; he dismissed and delegitimized all of Loki’s grievances and presented his complete submission to Thor’s will as his redemption.

shine-of-asgard:

loki-god-of-menace:

lokihiddleston:

“Almighty Thanos, I, Loki, Prince of Asgard… Odinson… The
rightful king of Jotunheim, God of Mischief… Do hereby pledge to you, my
undying fidelity.”

[That deep, steadying, terrified breath before his attempt on Thanos’ life just kills me. You can see the tears clinging to his eyes. You can watch him stiffen and coil. You can see him pull all of himself together to make this last, resigned but still brave-to-the-end attempt at bringing down Thanos. It’s heart-wrenching, watching him go to his death to protect Thor.

He deserved better. He always will.]

Anyone remembers the little promotion video of TH filming this and making little up and down jumps? Some people wanted to see a sign of hope in that. I remember thinking that it looked the opposite. Like psyching oneself to do something very unpleasant. Like a come on, let’s get this over with.

Feige also commented some time ago on the scene being difficult for TH. That’s 3 people saying the same fucking thing! So… Not cute. Not funny. And don’t try to tell me TH didn’t know Loki was being shat on. He might have tried to give his best in that scene, but no-one in fandom can even phantom what was going on there. What was Loki trying to accomplish. Concpiracy theories abound. Which is a big mark of how badly written that scene was. It has zero closure and zero sense. But nothing of it it TH fault.

God now I hate these hacks with renewed passion.

I wish Tom had had the power, or maybe the chutzpah, to protest on his character’s behalf. I wish I could believe that there was some big plan, some greater sense, to this absolutely idiotic and gratuitously violent and gruesome death. Which is to say, I wish Markus & McFeely and the Russo brothers had any sense of character or narrative logic.

But more than anything, I wish Feige and Marvel hadn’t alienated Joss Whedon. I wish he had been writing Infinity War. Honestly, I kind of wish he had been around to put the brakes on Taika Waititi’s (and Chris Hemsworth’s) complete mangling of Thor, Loki, and Bruce’s characters. He, unlike M&M and the Russos, had affection and understanding for the Asgardian characters. He was invested in making Loki interesting and formidable, as a reluctant villain and antihero (as reflected in the scenes he rewrote in TDW). He established the connection between Loki and Thanos and I firmly believe he intended to give us some payoff for it.

I find it absurd and ironic that the Marvel higher-ups were doing enough micromanaging on AOU that Joss Whedon threw up his hands in frustration, but apparently they gave Waititi completely free rein to ad lib his way through Ragnarok. I think that shows how little they care about the Thor franchise; it was making them less money, so they were willing to throw it under the bus artistically.

Did BC pretend he didn’t know what TNM was at some point?

shine-of-asgard:

insanely-smart:

“BC also knows TNM exists. Yeah, still haven’t let that go.” – Sorry, what haven’t you let go? I feel like I am forgetting something that happened.

Nope, BC always knew about TNM. He even mentioned it in the interview for Interview Magazine.

It was at Wizard World in 2016, where Tom was pumping up Chris’ work, Ghostbusters, etc. And then the moderator asked him about TNM, and Chris said, seriously, “What’s The Night Manager?” And then tried to play it off like maybe it hadn’t been in Australia yet (it had). Like he truly had no idea that Tom did other stuff.

It’s a very unequal friendship in that regard.

The more I live the less I like CH.

ms-cellanies:

catwinchester:

cosmicjoke:

littlefanthing:

cosmicjoke:

One of the lines in “Thor: The Dark World” that gets overlooked, I think (possibly because Marvel cut it from the final edit) was when Thor is talking to Frigga about Loki, and she says to him that he and Odin always shone so brightly, it was hard for Loki to find any sun for himself, or something to that effect.

Anyway, this is such a massively important line, because it basically tells us EVERYTHING about Loki’s childhood, and how he felt. And here again is yet another example of how absolutely WRONG Taika Waitit’s view of these characters was, given what I heard about him wanting to include a flashback in Ragnarok showing Thor as a sensitive and bullied child, and Loki as dark and mean. That would have been in DIRECT conflict with everything we know about these characters, just like everything else in Ragnarok is.

From what Frigga says to Thor, it’s plain as day that Loki as a child was always struggling just to catch up to Thor, to try and be equal to him, not just in Odin’s and Frigga’s eyes, but in the eyes of probably the entire kingdom. It tells us that Thor, as a boy, was as popular and well liked, as charming and charismatic and as easy to make friends as he is as an adult, and that Loki was very much the introvert, quiet, awkward and isolated. And from Loki’s desperation to win Odin’s approval in the first Thor film, I think it becomes apparent that that desperation grew directly from his feeling inadequate and lesser to the standard of both his father and his big brother growing up. And it’s just so unbelievably sad, to envision that. To envision Loki constantly struggling, trying to match Thor, trying to make himself seem as good as Thor for Odin, trying to make himself seem like a “true and worthy son”, as he says in the first film. How anyone could miss this about his character is beyond me, unless they’re being willfully obtuse.

And we see from this one line, that Loki’s entire motivation is based on a feeling of lack on his own part. He feels like he’s less. He feels like he isn’t as good as Thor, and that Odin must not love him because he’s not as good as Thor, and until he discovers he’s a Jotun, he doesn’t know why, and he can’t figure it out, and he keeps trying and trying to do the right thing to somehow make him, in his father’s eyes, Thor’s equal. Think of the kind of psychological effect that would have on a person, especially a young man growing up in the kind of culture Loki did. Think of the burden of constantly feeling like there’s something WRONG with you, because you’re constantly measuring yourself against the perfection of an older sibling who everyone loves, while everyone treats you like you’re strange, and even are at times outwardly hostile and cruel to you. Think of the weight of trying to figure out how to change yourself so that others will treat you like they treat your perfect older sibling, but not being able to, because you don’t really know what it is about you that makes everyone dislike or hate you in the first place. And then think of what it must have been like, to discover you’re from a race of beings who the people you’ve grown up around consider to be monsters, who are those people’s mortal enemies, and coming to the swift and awful realization that that must have been it all along. That THAT’S what was wrong with you. That that’s why you’ve always been an outcast.

I just think that one moment from The Dark World was so important for understanding Loki’s character.

And yet, once again, Marvel proves it’s own stupidity by cutting it out. Just like they cut out so many scenes from the first Thor film which showed Loki in a more sympathetic light. Gee, it’s almost like they didn’t want people feeling for him. Too bad they ended up doing so anyway.

Yeah, Taika is clearly biased against Loki, for whatever reason. Logic suggests that an anti-imperialist poc would identify with Loki’s character and his storyline, but Taika seems to have rejected him in favor of Thor. I can’t understand it at all. Can anyone think of a plausible explanation.

Well definitely Taika favors Thor, and what I think it really comes down to is, he favors Chris Hemsworth over Tom Hiddleston. Tom is a total professional actor and he takes his craft seriously. I don’t get that impression with Chris. Chris seems to have more or less given up trying to be a serious actor, taking on one comedic role after another, probably because all his attempts at serious drama got panned by the critics. And Chris has a goofy kind of personality with a goofy sense of humor, and for whatever reason, that appealed to Takia Waititi and they hit it off. You get the definite impression that wasn’t the case with Tom. Every interview with Tom done during Ragnarok’s promotion, he talks about how well Takia and Chris got along, and you just get the sense from it that Tom was very much the outsider to their little party. Takia is also one of those directors that HAS to put himself in his own films, which smacks of a massive ego problem. He isn’t satisfied with being behind the scenes. He wants to be the star too. Which tells me he doesn’t appreciate actors or understand what it takes to BE an actor. He’s one of these people, it seems to me, that thinks anyone can do it. But no, it takes a LOT of talent to be a good actor. It’s an actual art. I just don’t think Tom was able to relate at all to what seemed like the idiotic atmosphere on the set of Ragnarok, and I also get the sense that Taika Waititi aggressively shut Tom out of any collaboration regarding Loki’s character, for example Tom’s saying how he was trying to give Matt Daemon (Chris Hemsworth’s friend, by the way) lines that Loki would say, and Taika Waititi just kept telling him no, and giving his own lines, as if he knew better what Loki would say than Tom. He basically steam rolled him. Tom’s a sophisticated, very intelligent and high class man, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that irritated and intimidated a low class shill like Waititi.

Tom’s a sophisticated, very intelligent and high class man, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that irritated and intimidated a low class shill like Waititi.

I think you’re right. I also think it could be his background, He’s English and went to Eton (known as school of Kings for a reason).

A lot of people hate that. And I get why. A perfect example, there’s a show on BBC at the moment about Jeremy Thorpe trying to murder his gay lover, and he basically got away with it because the judge was an old Etonian, like Thorpe, and was incredibly biased in his favour, pretty much instructing the jury to find Thorpe not guilty. “The establishment” has historically protected its own, even from murder charges.

Some people can’t see past that privilege to the individual.

Never mind that Tom’s grandfather was a dockworker, oh no, if he went to Eton he’s got to be an evil establishment coloniser intent on keeping the working man down.

Reblogging for the latest comments, which I’m onboard with. I think there’s another aspect at play in all this as well. I’ve always seen the relationship between Thor/Loki as classic sibling rivalry…..anyone else remember the Smothers’ Brothers schtick of “Mom always loved you best?” Thor’s the favored child in the THOR films but LOKI is the favored character by the fans and critics. If you go back and watch all of the Chris/Tom interviews for Thor there isn’t a single one where Tom doesn’t deflect a question to sing the praises of Chris. Never, that I’ve seen, has Tom put himself out there as the star, better actor or slighted Chris in any way. I feel certain that CH, in the real world, feels that Tom has, so to speak, stolen his thunder. Personally I put the tearing down of Loki in Ragnarok on the shoulders of both Taika & Chris. Ragnarok was clearly The Assassination of Loki.

This last comment is exactly right. I suspect that Taika and maybe also Chris assume that Tom thinks he’s better than them because he’s educated, cultured, and classically trained. He *is* better than them: he’s kinder, more empathetic, a better actor with a better understanding of human psychology and dramatic narrative, and 100% less narcissistic. But he doesn’t know that and he would never act like he thinks he’s better than anyone.

I want to emphasize that the important sense in which Waititi and Hemsworth are “low class” has nothing to do with money or genealogy. It’s entirely about mindset. They lack “class” in the normative sense. They are low class in the same way as the Trumps (though to a lesser extent, of course). You can be in the highest echelons of society and still regard everything as a competition with you (and maybe your buddies) against the world that you must win at all costs.

I know how you’ve analyzed Hiddlesworth and wanted your opinion. Remember that Ragnarok clip with them holding hands as Chris took his place on stage? Did you notice that while Chris was the one to initiate the hand holding, Tom was the one who ended it? Looking closely, you’ll see that Chris closed his hand around Tom’s as he did the little spin move but Tom kind of snatched his hand away once Chris was next to him. I find that Tom has been more aloof towards Chris lately. Your thoughts?

What clip was this? Where were they?

It’s actually kind of reassuring to hear that you thought Tom was the one being more aloof toward Chris; I sort of thought Chris was turning the cold shoulder toward Tom. I don’t really know why, but I kind of wonder if it had anything to do with Tom not being completely on board with the “reinvention” of Thor and Loki’s characters in Thor: Ragnarok. Pretty obviously Chris Hemsworth was the driving force; he recommended bringing on Taika Waititi, he wanted to do more “comedy,” he was tired of speaking in archaic language and basically just wanted to get paid to be himself on film. In interviews, Taika kept talking about how he wanted to make Thor the most interesting character in his own film; the unspoken implication was that Loki had always been the most interesting character (which many of us know is true). So in order to steal Thor’s thunder back, Taika and (to some unknown extent, given how much was improvised) the screenwriter, Eric Pearson, reduced Loki to an effete, narcissistic, incompetent caricature of himself, mocked and minimized the traumas he had experienced, and eliminated all of the psychological and motivational complexity he had shown in previous movies, leaving him with only two features/motivations: (1) he’s essentially “the god of mischief,” and therefore he likes to betray people just for shits and giggles; and (2) he really wants Thor to love him.

Tom Hiddleston is a very smart man and a consummate actor. He really sank his teeth into the role of Shakespearean tragic hero that Kenneth Branagh and the screenwriters of Thor 1 (Ashley Miller and Zack Stentz) gave him. He had one hell of a good time as the twisty, theatrical, not-so-secretly tortured villain Joss Whedon wrote for The Avengers. He threw himself into the pathos and the desperate mania of the conflicted antihero in Thor: The Dark World (some credit to Markus & McFeely, even though I think they’re dimwitted hacks; some credit to Joss Whedon, whose main prescription as script doctor was “more Loki”). I don’t know if you’ve seen him in The Hollow Crown or Coriolanus, but it’s hard to tell he’s even speaking Elizabethan English because the words flow off his tongue as if he was born speaking them, and he makes the meaning and the feeling in the language so lucid that I feel like I was born hearing it. He disappears into his roles; there’s almost nothing of Tom in Loki, or in Jonathan Pine in The Night Manager, or in Freddie Page in The Deep Blue Sea.

And then they gave him this pathetic caricature in Ragnarok and wanted him to play second fiddle to a version of Thor who wasn’t even really a character anymore, just Chris Hemsworth dressed in space armor. They stripped away all the depth and complexity that Tom had been bringing to Loki over the years; they gave him almost no psychology to work with. For an actor who pours his heart and soul into his roles, who was trained in Shakespeare and swims around in it like a fish, can it have been anything other than disappointing and humiliating? But Tom is so good-natured and obliging, it seemed like he couldn’t blame Taika or Chris – his “brother” of 8 years, who had betrayed him for the sake of his own vanity; he just seemed dejected and unenthusiastic about the whole thing. It seemed to me like Chris was shunning Tom, and the only explanation I could offer (aside from other interpersonal things I couldn’t possibly speculate on, or like… judging him for the Taylor Swift business) was that Chris was mad that Tom wasn’t wholly on board with the thoughtless, petulant destruction of the character he had been building for years, the character dynamic he’d thought they had been building together. If Tom is being aloof toward Chris, good for him. Chris fucking deserves it.

lokiloveforever:

thiddlestonismyknight:

sweetdreamr:

lokiloveforever:

yume-no-fantasy:

whitedaydream:

I came into this and called Joe and Anthony and said, “Look, don’t write me the old Thor, we’ve got a new Thor now.” I was really protective of the new Thor I’d created with Taika.

— Chris Hemsworth on “Avengers: Infinity War”

BONUS:

Loki probably in his heart wants to be worthy. The way he achieves his redemption, his salvation is to ultimately sacrifice himself, for Thor, and for Jane. I hope it’s a very cathartic and moving moment, by saving his brother’s life and avenging his mother’s death.

— Tom Hiddleston (“Thor: The Dark World” Blu-ray Extra)

Source of Kevin Feige’s speech:
▪“Thor: The Dark World” Blu-ray Extra
▪ The Empire Film Podcast

There are so many inconsistencies in Ragnarok it’s utterly ridiculous, not to mention how they’ve changed the Asgardians’ speech patterns entirely. One significant inconsistency:

Odin in TDW: We are not gods. We’re born, we live, we die, just as humans do.

Odin in TR: Hela, Goddess of Death/Are you the God of Hammers?

Thor in TR: I am the God of Thunder/You’ll always be the God of Mischief

I’ll get to why this is relevant later. First I have to talk about the issues with Thor’s character in TR.

Across the films Thor has been shown to be sincere and forthright, sometimes to the point of being naive–those were inherent qualities in him that I liked very much. But TR made him manipulative and scheming, towards both Bruce (in the scene shown in this post) and Loki (elevator “heart-to-heart talk” scene), who are his friend and brother respectively. How is this the Thor we know from before???

(At this point I know some people might want to object by saying that Loki was going to betray Thor so it was only fair that he took precautions, but that reason is bullshit in the first place and I will explain why later)

TDW might have been boring overall, but as I’ve mentioned before I loved Thor in that film. In TDW he had become a mature and sensible prince, no longer the reckless, arrogant, entitled heir to the throne in the first film, and by the end of TDW he had even shown humility and consideration towards Loki’s motivations. This was good character development in my opinion, but then they (TW and CH) simply decided to throw all that out the window and create a whole new Thor instead because they found him boring. Now that I know that, it’s no longer surprising that Thor was so OOC, because they’ve admitted themselves that they had fully intended to reinvent the character and TW even outright said that CH was just playing himself. (Btw, excuse me?? I went to the cinema to watch Thor Odinson, not Chris Odinson?)

Now, my biggest issue with the film was how they had sacrificed Loki’s character and made him OOC as well. Most significantly, they made him the scapegoat for everything that had happened. If you listened to the podcast above, you’d know that Loki did not fake his death and he had essentially already redeemed himself by the end of TDW. Yet in TR this was what Thor said of him:

“You faked your own death”

“Maybe there’s still some good in you”

“Dear brother, you’re becoming predictable. I trust you, you betray me. Round and round in circles we go. See, Loki, life is about… It’s about growth. It’s about change. But you seem to just wanna stay the same. I guess what I’m trying to say is that you’ll always be the God of Mischief, but you could be more.”

“Maybe you’re not so bad after all”

“Still some good”??? “Not so bad”???? Seriously, New Thor????? Your brother risked his life to protect you and your ex-girlfriend and he doesn’t get any credit??? He was a villain for a while but surely he’s not all that bad??? In the past 1000 years you’ve known him??

And I’ve already explained in detail before why that ‘God of Mischief’ speech was complete nonsense but just to summarise,

1) Loki didn’t fake his death, if that was one of the betrayals that New Thor was referring to. Tom Hiddleston actually played out the scene thinking that Loki was going to die. But thanks to TR making it into a joke now no one’s gonna take Loki’s death scene in TDW seriously anymore.

2) “But you seem to just wanna stay the same” –Thor should know damn well how much Loki has changed across the films and why

3) OOC: They made Loki betray Thor for no reason other than he is the “God of Mischief”, even though this was something that Loki had never done before. He always had clear motivations in every case.

Also, the thing I’ve mentioned at the start: they only started to emphasize the characters as “Gods” in this film. In Loki’s case it’s the “God of Mischief”–no problem with that, except that they took the label literally and oversimplified his character. New Thor told him “you’ll always be the God of Mischief, but you could be more”, but Loki has always been more, so what was he even talking about?

This is a quote from Tom Hiddleston regarding Loki:

‘He’s just evil. He’s just evil from the front.’ Thanks for the sympathy. Just worked three films, kind of like, integrated a psychology, and all I get: ‘He’s just evil’. Correct.

Replace the word ‘evil’ with ‘mischievous’, and that’s exactly how they interpreted Loki’s character in Ragnarok.

(Oh, another example is the Loki turning into a snake and stabbing Thor thing that everyone seems to love so much. Umm?? Since when has Loki stabbed his brother for the fun of it? In Avengers he had been crying when he stabbed Thor. In TDW it had been an act to trick the Dark Elves. So? Again, retcon.)

TL;DR: Loki was supposed to have redeemed himself by the end of TDW, but Thor: Ragnarok threw all his character development out the window and instead retconned him into an incorrigible troublemaker so that it would justify OOC Thor’s ‘done with your shit’ attitude towards him throughout the film, making him the scapegoat for everything. All his issues were made into jokes and never addressed.

@whitedaydream thank you for this post!

@lokiloveforever @latent-thoughts @lucianalight @mastreworld @shine-of-asgard

@yume-no-fantasy @whitedaydream Thank you!! As you might know I hated Ragnarok, and I found it very offensive and hurtful, and the humor I found to have a very mean-spirited feeling to it. But Thor, omg, he is just….disgusting, and disturbing, and I agree with everything you are saying!

Loki already was MORE than just the god of mischief – and Tom Hiddleston made him that way! What he did for Loki shook the Marvel world, and they were not prepared for the response and the following that Loki gained. He had a depth, mystery, intelligence, elegance, class, complexity, layers, humor mixed with heartbreaking sadness,and tangible pain. And TW made him less, stripped all of that away. So that Thor would look like the quarterback hero, and Loki would look like the loser punk.

I think both the elevator speech and the obedience disc speech are so damn abusive, and it’s all about Thor, how HE feels, how HE thinks Loki should be, and how Loki has fallen short of HIS expectations. It’s a major guilt trip: “maybe there’s still good in you, but you are you, and I am me” meaning, “maybe there’s still good in you, but you’ll never be like me, you’ll never live up to MY kind of goodness" and “you see Loki, life is about growing,changing, moving on” – maybe Thor can let everything roll off his abnormally muscled back, but Loki isn’t like that. what happened to Loki hurt him to the core, and Thor and Loki are 2 very different people! When Loki comes to visit Thor in the freaky circle, Thor has already moved on, forgiven Odin of all his lies, and is right back to blaming Loki. There’s no emotional impact whatsoever.

The stupid play was aimed to wipe away the other movies, and the seriousness of Loki’s redeeming sacrifice for Thor. It was made to make Loki seem laughable, simple and underhanded, and “weasley”. Just like him sitting on his ass eating grapes, we know Loki would never rule like that, but they wanted to make him seem simple in his schemes. TW and CH made Loki this way because that’s the Loki that THEY wanted. A laughable loser whose redemption is set up through a “heartfelt” speech that his loving brother gives him.

By the end it’s just…..wrong. They’re not on even ground. Thor takes the throne, Loki is on the far, far right, with Valkyrie between them, and he’s barely in the shot. Everybody says how happy he is, that he’s finally accepted his place. His place. It makes me sad. I feel like Marvel needs to make up for letting this movie be made!

Also, (I don’t know if this is said or not) TR made Loki ruling as a joke. As Thor said, ‘Sitting in your bath robe eating grapes.” And Loki as odin watching theater about himself. They made it a joke. And they think that’s ‘okay’. That it’s ‘fine’ or ‘cool’. No! They made Loki ruling a frickin joke! I understand the gold statue. But sitting back, eating grapes, watching a play about yourself? That’s NOT okay.

I totally agree with what lokilovefrever said about the 2 little speeches Thor gave Loki. I mean, yeah Thor wanted his brother back (the brother he had before Thor 1) the so-called ‘good’ brother. But Loki has changed. He’s changed.

That doesn’t mean Loki is gonna be an outright bad guy. Loki adjusted himself. He adjusted his desires, his feelings, so he could be better brother and so he could redeem himself in Thor’s eyes. But no…TW and CH had to throw away Loki’s redemption of TDW in TR. *sheds an angry tear*

Other things that were wrong with this movie:

When Odin dies Thor says to Loki, “this was your doing.”

The dungeon talk. Thor says “…you stripped Odin of his powers, stranded him on earth, and left him to die…”

I don’t want to get into detail about those. I just wanna put them out there.

I don’t care how many people unfollow me. This whole post is wonderful. It’s the best. It needs to be passed on. 😀 😀 ❤ ❤

@lokiloveforever @whitedaydream @yume-no-fantasy

Thank you @thiddlestonismyknight I’m totally with you <3<3<3<3

@fuckyeahrichardiii, @illwynd, more fuel for our rage…

Chris Hemsworth angry writers reinvented Thor in Avengers Infinity War

dracarys–stormborn:

philosopherking1887:

princess-ikol:

whitedaydream:

‘I came into this and called Joe and Anthony and said, “Look, don’t write me the old Thor, we’ve got a new Thor now,”’ Chris said.

He was referencing the highly acclaimed shift towards a comedic, self-referential tone he and Taika made with Ragnarok.

But instead of observing his request to keep the character’s newfound mojo alive, the Russo brothers reportedly told him they’d ‘reinvented’ the character once again.

Chris recalled his response: ‘I was like “no, no, no” and I was really protective of what I’d created with Taika.’

They explained that the new direction was in line with the higher-stakes of the Avengers film, and to ensure the character worked well in an ensemble cast.

oh thank the fucking norns

Oh no, Chris is going to have to actually act as a character instead of just playing himself.

I hope by “reinvented” they just mean went back to the character as we’d known him for 4 movies before Chris got tired of pretending he can act.

(This article doesn’t even really make sense because the Russos didn’t write the script, they just directed it; Markus & McFeely were the writers.)

It’s an unpopular opinion, but I welcome this change. I hated Ragnarok!Thor. The Russo Brothers know what they’re doing. They did a great job with Cap, and they’ll do great with Thor. By not making him a Space Viking Tony Stark.

Dude, calling Ragnarok!Thor a “Space Viking Tony Stark” is an insult to Tony Stark. Tony Stark only pretends to be indifferent to other people’s feelings.

I’m not sure I trust the writers, Markus and McFeely; they turned Captain America: Civil War into a soap opera about personal loyalties and vendettas and completely dropped the ball on the larger political and philosophical issues they had the opportunity to explore. They also wrote most of Thor: The Dark World, which is largely a boring, forgettable mess without the Loki scenes they brought Joss Whedon in to add in reshoots. I’m actually kind of intrigued by the strategy they described of making Thanos the central character of IW and the Avengers effectively supporting characters, even though everyone else is appalled by it, but I’m skeptical that they have the skill to carry it off well.

Chris Hemsworth angry writers reinvented Thor in Avengers Infinity War

Someone just replied to my Hemsworth-critical post saying “you know Loki’s gonna die right?” I think they were trying to hurt my feelings because my icon makes it obvious that I’m a Loki fan foremost (or maybe they just assumed I must be because I “hate Thor,” except I don’t, just the “new and [definitely not] improved Thor”), but it’s just so beside the point that it’s baffling. It’s like responding to any insult or criticism with “oh yeah, your mom’s fat.”

Chris Hemsworth angry writers reinvented Thor in Avengers Infinity War

princess-ikol:

whitedaydream:

‘I came into this and called Joe and Anthony and said, “Look, don’t write me the old Thor, we’ve got a new Thor now,”’ Chris said.

He was referencing the highly acclaimed shift towards a comedic, self-referential tone he and Taika made with Ragnarok.

But instead of observing his request to keep the character’s newfound mojo alive, the Russo brothers reportedly told him they’d ‘reinvented’ the character once again.

Chris recalled his response: ‘I was like “no, no, no” and I was really protective of what I’d created with Taika.’

They explained that the new direction was in line with the higher-stakes of the Avengers film, and to ensure the character worked well in an ensemble cast.

oh thank the fucking norns

Oh no, Chris is going to have to actually act as a character instead of just playing himself.

I hope by “reinvented” they just mean went back to the character as we’d known him for 4 movies before Chris got tired of pretending he can act.

(This article doesn’t even really make sense because the Russos didn’t write the script, they just directed it; Markus & McFeely were the writers.)

Chris Hemsworth angry writers reinvented Thor in Avengers Infinity War