incorrectavengersquotes:

Steve: One day more. Another day, another destiny. This never-ending road to calvary. These stones of mind and space and time will surely come a second time…one day more.

Vision: [to Wanda] I did not live until today. How can I live when we are parted?

Sam: One day more…

Wanda: [to Vision] Tomorrow, you’ll be worlds away, and yet with you, my world has started.

Loki: One more day all on my own.

Wanda and Vision: Will we ever meet again?

Loki: One more day with him not caring.

Wanda and Vision: I was born to be with you.

Loki: What a life I might have known.

Wanda and Vision: And I swear I will be true.

Loki: But he never saw me there…

Tony: One more day before the storm!

Peter P.: Do I follow where he goes?

Tony: At the barricades of freedom!

Peter P.: Shall I join the others there?

Tony: When our ranks begin to form…

Peter P.: Do I stay, and do I dare?

Tony: Will you take your place with me?

Stephen: The time is now, the day is here!

Natasha: One day more…

T’Challa: One day more to the invasion; we will nip it in the bud. We’ll be ready for this Thanos—he will wet himself with blood!

Bucky: One day more…

Rocket: Watch ‘em run amuck, catch ‘em as they fall. Never know your luck when there’s a free for all! Here a little dip, there a little touch—most of them are goners, so they won’t miss much!

Bruce: One day to a new beginning!

Rhodey: Raise the flag of freedom high!

Gamora: Every man will be a king!

Nebula: Every man will be a king!

Drax: There’s a new world for the winning!

Thor: There’s a new world to be won!

Okoye: Do you hear the people sing?

Shuri: My place is here, I fight with you!

Wong: One day more!

Peter Q.: We will join these people’s heroes, we will follow where they go! We will learn their battle plans, then we will share the things we know.

Groot: I am Groot!

Mantis: Tomorrow is the judgement day!

All: Tomorrow, we’ll discover what this Mad Titan has in store…one more dawn, one more day, one day more!

#can we talk about how this gives loki eponine’s part and that is so perfect that i want to throw my phone across the room#the spoiled brat who suffers a tragic fall from grace and later is obsessively in love and later becomes a hero of the thing (via @et-in-arkadia)

FWIW, my father, who is a hardcore Ayn Rand supporter, calls Thanos’ philosophy derivative of a socialist mindset that doesn’t recognize the value of human life, whereas my father believes capitalists see each person as capable of solving wicked problems in the future and therefore as valuable as the resources deemed scarce. Since you’re calling Thanos hypothetically extreme pro-capitalist, here’s what one extreme capitalist says. Maybe everyone just wants to push evil Thanos on their opponents?

I don’t doubt that people on both ends of the political spectrum want to disavow a view they see as obviously repugnant and blame it on their opponents. However, it also seems clear to me that the grounds on which people on the Left call Thanos’s worldview pro-capitalist and people on the Right call it socialist are quite different. In short, the leftist critics on Tumblr attribute his factual assumptions to capitalist ideology, while your Rand-supporting father is attributing his normative framework to a socialist mindset.

What people on Tumblr have been saying in various ways is that “overpopulation is a myth”: it is a false causal explanation for the existence and persistence of material scarcity. The idea of overpopulation, this criticism goes, enables rich people to blame poor people for their own poverty. The problem, these rich capitalists say, isn’t the distribution of resources; it isn’t that rich countries overproduce food and throw most of it away, or that rich people hoard money, or that powerful corporations renew patents on life-saving technology to make sure that the products remain scarce and expensive. It’s that those stupid poor people with no self-control just won’t stop making babies. I suspect that this criticism is something of an oversimplification; a growing human population will have more and more energy demands, which may or may not be possible to meet with only renewable energy resources, and will of course require more and more food, which will in turn require that wilderness be cleared for agriculture (unless urban farming and vertical gardens really catch on). On the other hand, population growth rates do slow down as societies become more educated and gender-egalitarian. So I suspect that the gap between the West and the rest of the world (whose labor and resources the West has been exploiting for the past few centuries) is a large part of the apparent problem, and if that gap were allowed to close, there would no longer be any reason to worry about runaway population growth.

What your father seems to be voicing is a general criticism of consequentialist ethics (which operates by maximizing some good outcome): that it aggregates well-being, and therefore has no problem sacrificing the well-being of a few people in order to improve the situation of a large number of people. The most common form of consequentialism is utilitarianism, for which the good to be maximized is pleasure or happiness. A criticism originally voiced by John Rawls and taken up by various other philosophical critics of utilitarianism is that it fails to recognize or respect “the separateness of persons.” It’s perfectly fine for one person to forgo a benefit at one time in order to enjoy a greater benefit at a later time, e.g., by saving and investing money, or by refraining from indulgences in order to preserve one’s health, because the near-term costs are borne by the same person who enjoys the long-term benefits. Utilitarianism makes the same kind of calculation across populations rather than across time, imposing smaller costs in one place in order to reap greater benefits elsewhere; but this is illegitimate (the criticism goes) because the people who bear the costs are not the same as the people who enjoy the benefits. Pretty obviously Thanos is reasoning in a consequentialist/utilitarian way: he’s trying to maximize average happiness by replacing a large number of low-quality lives with a smaller number of high-quality lives. It sucks for the people who die (or maybe not, since he wants to give them a quick, painless death) and for the people who lose loved ones, but in theory, things will be a lot better for the next few generations.

Consequentialism is a kind of collectivist thinking, you might say: the goal is to maximize well-being (however that’s defined) across the entire population of moral patients (creatures who deserve moral consideration, which might be humans, intelligent beings, sentient beings, all living beings…) without regard for how that well-being is distributed among the individuals. As a practical matter, utilitarianism tends to promote egalitarian distribution of resources because of the phenomenon of diminishing marginal utility: each added unit of whatever goods (money, food, etc.) provides more pleasure/happiness to someone with less of it than to someone with more of it, so you’ll tend to maximize happiness as the distribution nears equality – ignoring things like different individuals’ utility functions (i.e., how much pleasure/happiness each person gets from one unit of the good at each level of prior possession). So I can see how someone might think of utilitarianism as a “socialist” style of ethics… except that a lot of socialists hate it, too, and attribute it to capitalism (Bentham’s utilitarianism is one of the foundations of modern economic theory). But then both socialists and capitalists like to accuse each other of regarding human life as expendable, as something you can put a numerical value on, rather than as sacred, inviolable, possessing immeasurable dignity rather than a measurable price.

lucianalight:

philosopherking1887:

foundlingmother:

hulkbanners:

this is the only news that matters tbh…..

Torn between being happy Valkyrie survived, and pissed that they’re doing this. Seriously? “I know we didn’t show it to you or mention it whatsoever, but lots of Asgardians survived, including the woc we didn’t bother to put in our movie.” That’s lazy and a cop out.

You know, I kind of figured, since it would be implausible for a ship of that size not to have escape pods – they’re like the lifeboats on the Titanic. But it is annoying that they didn’t even have Thor say “At least the Valkyrie led some of my people to safety” or something like that.

The bad news: this reduces the likelihood that Loki will be brought back in A4. If some of the Asgardians survived – including Brunnhilde, whose presence in future movies has been teased – it becomes less imperative to turn back the clock as far as the attack on the Ark… and makes that “No resurrections this time” line seem more like a declaration from the creators themselves rather than merely from Thanos.

Yes. That’s exactly what it was. A declaration from the creators.

And it felt nasty to me, in a way not dissimilar to Taika Waititi’s curt “No.” to the woman petitioning for a solo Loki movie. It felt like they were saying to Loki’s (mostly female) fans, “You’ve been spoiled in the past, but you can’t keep expecting to see your fave come back every time. He and you have worn out your welcome here; we have other priorities.”

foundlingmother:

hulkbanners:

this is the only news that matters tbh…..

Torn between being happy Valkyrie survived, and pissed that they’re doing this. Seriously? “I know we didn’t show it to you or mention it whatsoever, but lots of Asgardians survived, including the woc we didn’t bother to put in our movie.” That’s lazy and a cop out.

You know, I kind of figured, since it would be implausible for a ship of that size not to have escape pods – they’re like the lifeboats on the Titanic. But it is annoying that they didn’t even have Thor say “At least the Valkyrie led some of my people to safety” or something like that.

The bad news: this reduces the likelihood that Loki will be brought back in A4. If some of the Asgardians survived – including Brunnhilde, whose presence in future movies has been teased – it becomes less imperative to turn back the clock as far as the attack on the Ark… and makes that “No resurrections this time” line seem more like a declaration from the creators themselves rather than merely from Thanos.