The next… chapter? Did Tom just secretly confirm that Loki isn’t dead after all?!
I’m still skeptical. It could be a very short “chapter,” and the sense in which it “honors what has come before” might just be that Loki is a boring “good guy” now and recognizes that his only purpose in life is to sacrifice himself for Thor (again). And he does say “it will be surprising for the audience in terms of what they expect next” – which could be code for, “Surprise! He dies in the first 5 minutes, way more stupidly than you ever would have expected him to, and that’s it for your favorite character.”
So even if Loki comes back at the end of Avengers 4 can we all agree on what a horrible waste of writing sidelining/killing him in the first 15 minutes of this movie was? Where are my continued petty exchanges with Strange? Taking Wanda under his wing? Teaming up with Gamora and Nebula to take down their abuser? Being Stabby BFFs with Nebula? Fighting side by side by Thor and the other Avengers he tried to take down however many movies ago? Like just imagine Steve’s face when Loki blocks an attack meant for him. Amazing.
We could have taken this atonement/reconciliation deal and taken it full circle, defending a planet Purple Testicle made him invade in the first place. Like…how is killing him in the first 15 minutes anywhere close to the most interesting choice we could have done with this character?
On top of all the bullshit reasons for what happened in the first ten minutes of IW the Russos are saying Tom is getting too old to play Loki?
Tom Hiddleston is getting TOO OLD to play Loki?
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Yeah…there is a HUGE difference in his looks thanks to his age *rolls eyes* Fucking idiots. Killing off a beloved character and a huge fan favorite not only for stupid reasons that reduce his character to a mere shadow behind Thor but because Tom is getting “too old” is idiotic. I feel awful for Tom Hiddleston because that is insulting. On top of that they even mention how it upset Tom to find out what happened to Loki (a character he genuinely loves).
All of the actors are aging and their ages quite often don’t match up with their characters. I’m not saying that because I want those characters to get killed off but I’m pointing out the ridiculousness of that statement. Why not just admit you didn’t know what to do with the character in IW and decided to take an easy out by sacrificing him and then milking the fan’s love of the character/actor during promotions? Loki didn’t need to die and he certainly didn’t need to die like that. A story doesn’t come full circle only when the character has been brutally murdered and that character certainly shouldn’t be killed as some kind of twisted motivation for Thor. Death isn’t the only motivation. It’s a cheap, easy motivation and Loki’s character deserves more.
This better be a bunch of bullshit to throw everyone off of Avengers 4 and not the actual truth. Also, because I can, someone started a petition for Loki. Fans managed to bring him back in Thor: The Dark World…why not again?
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I am counting on those leaked pics from A4 as actually being in the film. And if they go back in time to the first Avengers to unwind what Thanos did then they can DAMN WELL unwind Loki’s ‘death’ as well. He’s a god, for fuck’s sake.
Except they won’t undo Loki’s death because they want him to stay dead. They’ll taunt his fans with this little flashback, maybe allow us to hope they’ll actually give him a meaningful role in the next movie so that maybe we’ll buy movie tickets, and then yank it away again because we’re not the fans they’re looking for. If Thor wonders why they can’t turn time back far enough to save Loki, Heimdall, and half of Asgard, Doctor Strange or Hank Pym or Captain Marvel or someone will say something cryptic about how they can only defeat Thanos if those people stay dead, or how it would be disastrous to cause too much disruption to the fabric of spacetime, or some similar bullshit. But it’s just as likely that Thor won’t ask. They wanted to fridge Loki and Heimdall to give Thor the proper “motivation,” to have him appropriately desperate and desolate, but they probably won’t even think to have him try to save the people he lost.
The age thing was just a flimsy excuse. They were filming IW and A4 concurrently, so Hiddleston wouldn’t be any older if they left him alive in the latter. No one was saying that he had to keep appearing in MCU movies forever, but killing a character violently isn’t the only way to take them out of future films. They just don’t care about giving a plausible or satisfying end to his character arc.
So Marvel is saying Using Loki’s death as revenge motivation for Thor. Wasn’t the story going that Loki had been tortured and tormented by Thanos into attacking New York, and the fact that this was done to his brother couldn’t have been enough motivation for Thor? No, they had to just brutally kill him off and get him out of the picture because they’re at a loss as to what to do with him. Those brilliant minds at Marvel.
Agree, plus, even if we go by the way of Thor’s character arc, his personal growth came from him setting aside his revenge fantasies and laying down his life for the protection of people of Puente Antiguo. From laying aside his sense of superiority and becoming a team member of Avengers to protect Earth. Heck, even in Ragnarok, Thor was hell-bent on returning to Asgard to protect its people from Hela. Why did they have to destroy it and make personal revenge the only ‘worthy’ motivation for him?
I find it infinitely sad that ‘heroes’ would need it to be ‘personal’ before they muster the motivation to do the right thing and fight the big bad to protect innocent lives. It is pathetic, uninspired writing indeed.
First of all, here’s the link so that you can listen for yourself if you want. And to avoid confusion about what the hell everyone is talking about.
This confirms what I’ve thought since I first saw Infinity War: that the “No resurrections this time” line was coming directly from the creators rather than just from Thanos; that the filmmakers are tired of Loki, don’t understand why fans (especially fans who aren’t members of their straight cis male target audience) find him so interesting, and are perfectly happy to disregard character in order to use him as a plot device. And they really do sound smug about it; it’s like they’re glad to be rid of this unexpected favorite of the silly fangirls whose money they’ll happily take but whose affection they don’t really want (God forbid these movies should be mistaken for chick flicks!).
Loki’s death was in no way intended to serve his character arc, regardless of what people say about how it shows that he’s redeemed himself (gotta have that good old redemption through death) and is now willing to die for Thor (which he already showed he was in TDW, ignoring Ragnarok’s retcon that he deliberately faked it). His death was made as quick and violent as possible to build up Thanos as a villain – which, btw, doesn’t even work if “the reigning villain of the Marvel Universe” has to be acting uncharacteristically stupid for Thanos to be able to kill him – and to get Thor to a place where he’s lost everything. Again. Because that totally hasn’t been done before in the first Thor movie and again in Thor: Ragnarok. In short, Loki was fridged, and not even in a plausible or helpful way.
I guess I must have been giving some credence to the theories of why Loki is still alive or will come back, because this confirmation makes me feel sick. I don’t know if I’m going to boycott the MCU entirely… but I’m definitely going to make an effort to watch the things I want to watch without paying. And I’m definitely not going to see Avengers 4 until I know what they end up doing with Loki, why there’s that flashback, etc.
Loki is the Philosopher King 