…why are some people so very upset that thor essentially put a tazer on loki? he literally beat loki at his own game? loki was just about to betray him? a part of loki was pretty impressed that thor tricked him? why do we gotta be like this, y’all?
I’ve read everyone’s explanations as to why and I *kind of* get it, but at the same time here are my reasons for not having any issue at all with this scene:
Loki was just about to abandon Thor, again, while being rewarded for Thor’s capture to “set him up nicely.” Thor had every right to defend himself and every right to be tired of Loki’s games in a very critical moment.
Thor has no reason to protect Loki anymore, because no matter what he does, Loki does not change. This doesn’t mean there aren’t unresolved issues between them. It means Thor can’t be the only one trying anymore.
When you have a family member who is consistently choosing to do terrible things with little consideration for the consequences, sometimes you have to put them in a sink or swim situation to protect yourself.
Otherwise, you’ve exhausted yourself trying to help someone who doesn’t want to be helped and who gets hurt in the end? You do. Asgard is literally falling apart and Loki’s selfishness is a liability.
Thor has changed and matured, but that doesn’t mean he’s got to stick to some ridiculous moral code. He’s never been the hero who wont play dirty when he needs to play dirty and I personally respect that.
Loki almost always plays dirty. Loki is also a very powerful being just like Thor. That being said, he’s good at weaseling out of difficult situations and he can fend for himself. I’m honestly not too worried about a taser of all the things.
Loki is one of my favorite characters, but I love Thor’s complexity as well. He doesn’t set himself at a higher standard than anyone else because he doesn’t care about being better than anyone else.
He cares about the task in front of him. He cares about what needs to be done even if he doesn’t like it, but Thor canonically gets pissed off very easily and he’ll show it. He even shows this side of him to his “hero” friends.
And I like that about him.
Loki not only impeded Thor from helping Asgard, but his actions pissed Thor off. I’m not going to nit-pick or hold any ill feelings towards Thor for being pissed off and acting like it, especially when Loki is given excuse after excuse.
Thor isn’t a better individual because he always acts within a rigid moral code. It’s because he’s doing good things and putting others first even when he’s really pissed off about it.
And, I mean… come on… it’s a taser not a death ray. Loki has actually stabbed Thor multiple times. I think Loki can stand having the wiggles for a while until he can manipulate whoever into saving him.
my very real problem with this whole scene is that any meta concerning that scene for me rests on a basis made of… nothing, really.
That betrayal IS the bread and butter of the comics, in which the characters have been dancing around each other for like 30 human years of issues and continuities, but it feels extremely wrong in the MCU continuity. That’s NOT where they are in the MCU. Loki does not betray and double-cross Thor for shits giggles and cold self-gain in MCU.
Basically, if you have a quick overview, you’ll see that everything Loki has done against Thor in MCU is motivated in deep fresh pain and hurt, that it hurts both of them. The stabbing in Avengers is not a joke, for either. Thor is not used to this, to his brother being an enemy. In the previous 3 films they’ve shared time in we see the grief and shock and disbelief and incomprehension, the attempts to reach him, and then in TDW we see reconciliation, alliance, and more grief. Thor would not be used to it. It would be an extremely callous and baseless thing for Loki to do. So you want to write it in? Sure, but it’s not a fucking joke. Or it shouldn’t be. Idk i don’t know what i’m trying to say. I’m saying it’s fucking wrong.
And yes, then Loki is back from the dead and in the throne of Asgard, and I’m very fricking sorry but Thor’s reaction to the news that Loki is lives is… yeah it’s deeply disappointing and again, wrong in the MCU continuity. And the fact that Loki betrayed him AGAIN wouldn’t be “Loki up to his old tricks again”, it would be the FIRST time Loki betrays him for personal gain, without deeper reasons based mostly on a hell of a lot of pain.
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you know what, fuck it. Ragarök just doesn’t exist in the same fucking universe as the rest of the MCU and that’s it. Might work as actual adaptation of the comics, and good, great, have fun. But I was hoping to see MCU Thor and Loki. And it could have been done, they could have done both. Just keep some fucking coherence. You can make jokes and then cut people deep with actual real feelings building up from the 3 previous films. They failed miserably at developing that relationship in a way that actually makes sense emotionally or narratively. That’s not where we left them. That’s not where they were. That’s not what TDW Thor would have said or done finding out Loki was alive. THEY DIDN’T EVEN BOTHER WITH AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE, WHAT SORT OF SHIT CONTINUITY IS THAT. LOKI WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACTUALLY DIED. ANYBODY THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THE IN-VERSE TYING UP OF LOSE ENDS? no, fuck the first 3 films, booo boring. REALLY TALENTED PEOPLE WHO CARED ABOUT THE MATERIAL AND THE FANS ENOUGH WOULD HAVE MANAGED HUMOR AND DEEP EMOTIONS, OR AT LEAST FUCKING TRIED. They don’t even call themselves god of ANYTHING in the MCU. It’s the first fucking time any of them refer to themselves or others as “god of thunder” or “god of mischief” or “trickster god” or whatever. We do canonically have ODin in TDW explicitly saying “we are not gods” and then all of a sudden YOU’RE A GOD HE’S A GOD EVERYBODY IS A GOD.
I couldn’t fucking finish it the other day. That is not Thor. Its not even Comics Thor. My Thor has a fucking heart and feels things deeply, in his every incarnation BUT RAGNARÖK. HERE I’M MAKING MYSELF FURIOUS AGAIN.
And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if Ragnarök was the only Thor & Loki MCU film, I would not have written 6 THorki novels in 4 years, because I wouldn’t have given a shit about anyone in there.
i wish i could distance myself and enjoy it but no. I’ve come to this point. I don’t like that film. Everything feels wrong, the jokes aren’t that funny, and most are OOC. Cool aesthetics tho, and yay cool god of thunder and immigrant song.
they don’t even fucking touch once. Is that accidental?? No neck grabbing, no intense manhandling, no soul-searching glares?? Fuck that too.
once a month, your panties look like a fucking murder scene
you are basically giVING BIRTH TO THE FUCKING LINING OF ONE OF YOUR INTERNAL ORGANS
and yet you just go about your daily business like
people with vaginas are fucking badass.
people with vaginas
what are they called again?
They’re called people with vaginas because not everyone with a vagina is a woman.
whoop there it is
jesus fuck
Well in this case it’s more accurately people with uteruses (uteri?). If you’ve had a hysterectomy you’d still have a vagina but not bleed out of it regularly.
Loki is the Philosopher King 