Why are no Jewish bloggers talking about how Israel slaughtered peaceful Palestinian protesters Friday?

tikkunolamorgtfo:

borg-collective:

ingek73:

tikkunolamorgtfo:

returnofthejudai:

Because apparently we have failed in our responsibility to criticize Israel non-stop to please anons like you.

Having our entire worth judged by what we say about what happens in Israel is exhausting. I, for one, am not Israeli. I was spending Friday Night at a Passover Seder with my family. I didn’t spend much time online because my inbox was being filled with people accusing me of perpetrating “white genocide” and complaining about circumcision.

Do you want to know my opinion on what happened? EVERYONE was wrong. EVERYONE. Hamas was wrong for treating Palestinian lives so cheaply and mixing in militants with peaceful protestors in the hope of provoking outrage. Israel is wrong for using excessive force, yet again, and giving Hamas exactly what they wanted. It’s an ongoing, slowly unfurling disaster and I’ve now opened myself up to criticism from across the political spectrum to please you, oh Jew-judging anon.

Now the next time someone of your ethnicity half-a-world away does something horrible, I hope your inbox is flooded with asks questioning your response or lack-theoreof. It will be well deserved.

How to oppose Israel without being anti-Semitic: Stop demanding Jewish people as a whole answer for Israel’s actions.

then also don’t call people anti-semetic when critizising Israel

I’m ant-zionist, not anti-semetic

Well, that was completely unasked for… 

Of course criticism of Israel is not always antisemitic, but if this is your reaction to this post I’m kinda inclined to ask you to unfollow me.

Did me or @tikkunolamorgtfo or @returnofthejudai make any such ridiculous statements? No. So either this is a stawman argument, or you are acting as if Jewish people are a collective hive-mind and because some Jewish people see all criticism of Israel as antisemitism, you feel you can address these two tumblr users in this denigrating way.

I won’t stand for it.

Well, first of all, nobody from the Netherlands or any country that has enabled non-Jews to systematically benefit from anti-Semitism really has the right to be either Zionist or anti-Zionist. It’s not your place to have an opinion on how some members of a minority group reacted to the oppression you inflicted on them, FULL STOP. Can you be critical of the country’s actions? Yes. Do you get an opinion about whether that country should exist or not? No. It’s not your place. You can’t benefit from centuries of Jewish oppression and still dictate how some Jewish people reacted in light of what was done to them.

Secondly, as said above, Jewish =/= Israeli. Just because some Jews reacted to your oppression one way, doesn’t mean all Jews agreed with their endeavours then, and doesn’t mean all Jews agree with Israel now. Even if you were entitled to an opinion on Zionism (and again, you’re not), you can’t be “ant-zionist-not-anti-semitic™” whilst simultaneously expecting all Jews to answer for the actions of a country in which they aren’t even citizens. You can’t claim to only be against a nation and not Jews in particular, and then turn around and demand that all Jews from every place on the globe pass a litmus test every time that nation does something. That’s not only being anti-Israel, that’s being anti-Semitic. You can’t have it both ways. 

Thank you. Very well put.

People also need to get clear on what they mean by “anti-Zionist.” Do you mean that Israel should end its military occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and should stop allowing Israelis to build settlements in the West Bank? Great, I agree with you, but it’s extremely misleading to call that “anti-Zionism”; I suspect confused, well-meaning moderate Leftists have borrowed the term from people on the far Left, assuming that they’re reasonable and so that’s all they mean when they talk about opposing Israel. Do you mean that you think there should not be a Jewish state (as the extreme Leftists do)? Then see above: if you’re not Jewish, it’s not for you to say.

stele3:

benjji2795:

saltandlimes:

neurodivergent-crow:

shadowkat678:

the-real-skye:

gaylor-moon:

socialistexan:

drdrunkpigeon-phd:

williamsherlockscottyyholmes:

My grandparents left their home country as children when they heard the whispering of antisemitism starting in their home town. They got out and fled to America so I and future generations could be safe from persecution and mass murder. Only 2 generations ago.

And now America is becoming that country that they probably would have fled.

If you are not resisting, you are part of the problem.

And yes, I want non-Jews to reblog

Except I’m sorry but it’s not is it? A couple thousand white dudes babbling about jew conspiracies is not equal to Hitler and the holocaust no matter what. A couple thousand vs a few million? Your country isn’t fucking dumb. They FOUGHT to SAVE your kind and lost tens of thousands of men in the process. How about, fucking stop making it sound like the majority is Nazi and actually do some research. Jesus fucking christ.

Funny, since the Russians freed more prison camps than the US, including Auschwitz. The US didn’t care about the camps, they cared about fighting the ally of their declared enemy, Japan. And the US almost sided with the Nazis and had a large Nazi party in our boarders all the way up until (and even a little after) we entered the war.

Also do you know how large the Nazi party was at it’s peak? Just 7% of the German population. Smaller numbers don’t mean shit when they have people that aid and abet them by saying shit like “oh don’t worry they are too few to do harm.”

“My kind” have centuries of actual oppression running through our history, we can sense when something has changed and when it’s coming (back, again), it’s in our blood. Our grandparents and great-grandparents always told us to always have a bag packed, because they were afraid this would happen. “My kind” always know they will come for us again.

Hell, this isn’t some “oversensitive Tumblrina sjw” thing, here’s an actual Auschwitz survivor: “I see men, hatred on their faces, with torches in parades and screaming, just like the Nazis did to us years ago. I see torture and violence and swastikas and I was brought back to the worst moments of my life. I couldn’t believe they were speaking English, that this was in Charlottesville. I thought this nightmare was in the past, way in the past.

Offense but why does literally every dude that says stuff like “oh they’re not actually Real Nazis” “oh so you call everyone you disagree w/ a Nazi” like why are you all so hilariously uneducated and unable to see things as they are? Literally none of them have ever known what they’re even fucking talking about lmao

Most comments that call Trump Hitler are referring to 1933 Hitler, when he first ran for office and later seized power, who drew an enormous euphoric fan following based on hating a particular religious group and a political slogan that roughly translates to Make Germany Great Again. His solution to Jewish people started with encouraging them to emigrate, identification tags, then moving them to the Jewish Ghettos “to be monitored” and eventually to more secure concentration camps. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE was mentioned by Trump or his closest allies as a solution for the “problem” of Muslims in America during his campaign. It took Hitler until January 1940 to authorize the Final Solution, which started the death camps as an official government policy. How much do you think Trump could do to Muslims in about 7 years if given the chance, all before any organized killings begin.

Similarly, the Nazi Party in the early 1930’s was just thought of as a joke, a few angry people due to the bad economy (to the level which would make the Great Recession we just experienced look like a cloudy day) and the need to place the blame for that on a particular group of people. The Nazis gradually grew their support base until they had about 30% support while those in the middle were divided, actually giving them 50% support and allowing them to do whatever they wanted. Germany rapidly went from probably the most liberal place in the world in the 1920’s to becoming the most hateful and murderous place a decade later.

THIS^^^^^^^

When non-Jewish people try to speak over Jewish people I throw up in my mouth a little and hope they get mono

Also, sorry (but actually not at all) to add to the pile on, but until you’ve experienced antisemitism, until you’ve stood there hearing people scream “kill the Jews” one state away from your hometown, until you’ve spent even an ounce of time looking into the many ways in which Jewish people are threatened in the West, sit down and shut up.

And while you’re sitting, take a moment to think over the ways we’re afraid of you. Think of how terrifying it is for us when people brush off the term Nazi and call it overused. Think of how we all grew up knowing that we have always been hated by some, that we will always be hated. Think about how those few Nazis destroyed our culture, so much so that the global Jewish population may never recover. Think about how they murdered us for no reason, and then, for one instant, one single second, try to understand why we are terrified.

“The Nazis gradually grew their support base until they had about 30% support while those in the middle were divided, actually giving them 50% support and allowing them to do whatever they wanted.”

IS THIS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE US NOW???

Look at every single one of Trump’s approval ratings. He’s at about 35%. About 1 in every 3 human beings is a fucking monster.

The only thing stopping history from repeating itself is us.

(And to my Jewish followers: if it comes to it, I will hide you.)

agnellina:

I really want to write something about how it’s not just that antisemitism is displayed differently from other forms of racism (Jews as the center of conspiracy theories subjugating non-Jews versus racial minorities as inferior non-humans). It’s also that the history of antisemitism has been both those in power and those at the bottom killing or forcing Jews out in pogroms. When there have been uprisings from those who have been victimized by those in power, Jews are painted as being central to control of the majority/establishment. That’s why you’ll find many Jews uncomfortable (at best) with the idea of the “proletariat” overturning the upper class. That has, historically and globally, ended up with us being forced out of homes or killed (see all of Eastern Europe). Because we are still the outsiders.

So, when anti-racist leaders and activists say that Jews should be concerned with “real antisemitism” (while conveniently never stating what would count as “real antisemitism”) or that antisemitism from the left is not as important as antisemitism on the right, they’re showing their complete ignorance of antisemitism and history and their refusal to listen to us. It’s not an either-or thing for us. And Jewish expulsion is not a relic of the past; it still occurs. And it’s only in America where there isn’t a deep history of Jewish expulsion. 

There has been Jewish expulsion and governmentally sanctioned antisemitism in the United States, but even if there was no history of them? Do we really think that gentile immigrants to the US brought over all of their own history except for that little piece? Because that genuinely strains credulity. 

Some of the problem with antisemitism on the Left is that it’s been reimported into the west by non-western immigrants and correspondents… who borrowed the conspiracy-theory tropes from the west (and/or Russia) in the first place. Apparently part of “listening to the oppressed” is taking on their misinformed views of minority groups who are less oppressed for the time being. And it’s totally OK for white people to be antisemitic if it’s in solidarity with brown people, right?

nerdyqueerandjewish:

In my dad’s neighborhood the public library is having issues because there have been 32 instances this year of people defacing books about the Holocaust.

Sometimes it is just people writing things like “lies!” And “Fuck the Holocaust” or arguing in the margins but some of them are beyond repair because people will obscure the text so horribly or people will paste in printed off articles about Holocaust denial.

That just feels so violent to me.

And maybe it doesn’t seem like a big deal but previously there was only one instance of this, in 2014. And in general while the library circulates over 220,000 books, only about 100 per year come back with writing or highlighting in them at all. So like, yeah, this is a big deal. This isn’t normal.

What are your thoughts on the fact that jews held an absolute majority of leadership positions in the Soviet Union?

date-a-jew-suggestions:

jew-ish5755:

date-a-jew-suggestions:

I hate this fuccin website

Hey. I’m (1) a Volga German (2) raised in Russia and other parts of the former USSR, as well as (3) a Jewish convert with (4) a college degree in Russian language, history and culture and this person is, for lack of a more polite term, full of shit.  

(1) Many prominent Bolsheviks were Jews, but that’s not the same things as holding the majority of leadership in the Soviet Union. While Jews were well-represented in certain party organs, the majority of leadership positions were held by ethnic Russians. This becomes even more pronounced after the Purges. 

(2) The existence of prominent Jewish Old Bolsheviks does not, by any means, indicate that antisemitism did not exist in the Soviet Union. The fact that Bolshevik ideology formally eschewed antisemitism and that ethnic, religious and gender discrimination were officially illegal in the Soviet Union did not stop antisemitism (or any other kind of discrimination) in the Soviet Union. In fact, in many cases these Jewish Old Bolsheviks falling out of favor with Stalin fueled Soviet antisemitism.

(3) If you can’t bring yourself to care about being wrong, please consider the very real and damaging impact of the sentiment you’re spreading. This deeply problematic and historically ignorant argument continues to fuel antisemitism in the west as well as in Russia and other former Soviet republics because equating “Soviet” with “Jewish” is a common way that the suffering of the Purges are rationalized in modern political discourse – “The Jews did all the awful things in Soviet history and we therefore don’t have to (1) address our historical or modern antisemitism and (2) grapple with the fact that some of our most beloved national heroes participated in state terror”.

Essay posted to my blog because I acknowledge that most people won’t want to read the details behind the summarized points.

Finally, on a personal note, please don’t spread misinformation like this about Soviet society and history. When you perpetuate the myth of the Soviet state being controlled by Jews, knowingly or unknowingly, you erase the very real oppression and state-sponsored borderline ethnic cleansing of my people (Volga Germans) and countless other minorities within the Soviet Union. 

Soviet Jews did not engineer our suffering, our mass deportations, our sentences to the Gulag or summary executions. They endured those things beside us, and our blood still cries out for justice together. 

This is a great addition

Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom

sarah1281:

philosopherking1887:

littlegoythings:

Iceland is poised to become the first European country to outlaw male circumcision amid signs that the ritual common to both Judaism and Islam may be a new battleground over religious freedom.

Listen, I get the concerns about safety, pain, and sexual sensitivity later in life. Ideally, religious communities would have this conversation and decide to delay circumcision until a later age, the way some Christian denominations delay baptism to an age when the recipient understands what it means. But what really steams me is:

  1. the comparison to female genital mutilation with the appalling term “male genital mutilation.” The severity is not remotely comparable, and perhaps more importantly, the intention behind the practices are miles apart. Male circumcision is a mark of community membership, probably arose as a way to slow the spread of venereal disease, and is in no way intended to deprive men of sexual pleasure, even if (as a matter of fact) it does. Female genital mutilation is intended to control female sexuality by making sex painful.
  2. the way opposition to circumcision on the American Left acts as a proxy for Left antisemitism. I wonder sometimes if those people even know that Muslims also circumcise, or if they think it’s just Jews; after all, they wouldn’t want to be accused of Islamophobia, but we all know that there’s no such thing as antisemitism anymore, right?
  3. and now the way the issue is no doubt acting as a proxy for Islamophobia and antisemitism in Europe.

I was surprised to see being against circumcision as being linked to antisemitism. I’m more familiar with all the Christians who do it though from this I take it circumcision is more important to the Jewish and Muslim faiths. 

Um, yeah. For Jews it symbolizes the covenant God made with Abraham; God commands Abraham to circumcise himself and his male descendants. I assume the significance is similar for Muslims, who regard themselves as descendants of Abraham’s first son Ishmael.

For most of recent European history, being uncircumcised was one of the ways Christian men distinguished themselves from the two most salient groups of outsiders: the Jews (the inside outsiders) and “the Turks” (the outside outsiders). Some Protestants started borrowing the practice for some reason, but not until pretty late, and only in the U.S., I think. For most Christians (especially Catholics), the commandment to circumcise, like most of the commandments in the Five Books of Moses, was overridden by the “new covenant” formed through Jesus’s self-sacrifice.

Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom

Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom

littlegoythings:

Iceland is poised to become the first European country to outlaw male circumcision amid signs that the ritual common to both Judaism and Islam may be a new battleground over religious freedom.

Listen, I get the concerns about safety, pain, and sexual sensitivity later in life. Ideally, religious communities would have this conversation and decide to delay circumcision until a later age, the way some Christian denominations delay baptism to an age when the recipient understands what it means. But what really steams me is:

  1. the comparison to female genital mutilation with the appalling term “male genital mutilation.” The severity is not remotely comparable, and perhaps more importantly, the intention behind the practices are miles apart. Male circumcision is a mark of community membership, probably arose as a way to slow the spread of venereal disease, and is in no way intended to deprive men of sexual pleasure, even if (as a matter of fact) it does. Female genital mutilation is intended to control female sexuality by making sex painful.
  2. the way opposition to circumcision on the American Left acts as a proxy for Left antisemitism. I wonder sometimes if those people even know that Muslims also circumcise, or if they think it’s just Jews; after all, they wouldn’t want to be accused of Islamophobia, but we all know that there’s no such thing as antisemitism anymore, right?
  3. and now the way the issue is no doubt acting as a proxy for Islamophobia and antisemitism in Europe.

Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom

The Florida Douglas High School Shooting Was an Anti-Semitic Hate Crime And Nobody’s Talking About…

socialistsephardi:

” Why is nobody talking about the fact that the Florida shooting was an anti-Semitic hate crime except
for Jews? The school was more than 40% Jewish. The shooter was a part
of a white supremacist organization, actively and openly hated Jews more
than anyone else, would beat up Jewish kids, etc. The head of the white
supremacist organization made a public statement that the organization
had nothing to do with the shooting but if he had to guess why Cruz did
it, it was because the school was predominantly Jewish. “We’re not a big
fan of Jews,“ Republic of Florida Militia leader Jordan Jerub stated in
an interview with The Daily Beast. “I think there were a lot of Jews at
the school that might have been messing with him.”

It seems like only Jewish news sources are reporting on this and the
comments on the articles by non-Jews are sickening. People are saying
that “Jews want to be oppressed so badly. He shot up the school because
they expelled him, not because he hated Jews.” People are saying we’re
“appropriating struggles of people of color” by claiming that he killed
Jewish kids because he’s a white supremacist. I’m sorry, why can’t we
acknowledge that someone shot up a Jewish school because he was
anti-Semitic without it taking away from the struggles of other
minorities?

When Jews say we are oppressed, people often respond
with “show me real hate crimes against Jews and then we’ll believe you
when you say you’re discriminated against,” but then someone who talks
about wanting Jews dead shoots up a school that’s mostly Jewish and
people still refuse to acknowledge that it’s a real hate crime.

The Jewish community is not a large one. I know people who knew some of
those kids, who went to Jewish summer camp with them, whose parents were
family friends etc.  Fuck anti-Semites and fuck people who shoot
children and fuck people who refuse to acknowledge that people are
targeted, assaulted, and even killed for being Jewish on a regular
basis. According to the FBI, 1.7% of Americans are Jewish, but last year
54.2% of religiously motivated hate crimes were against Jews and 11.5%
of overall hate crimes were against Jews.

If your intersectionality doesn’t include Jews, you’re doing social justice wrong.”

“If your intersectionality doesn’t include Jews, you’re doing social justice wrong”– a deliberately provocative closing line, but unlikely to move any hearts.

In their calls to arms against the “alt-right” (i.e., neo-fascism), the Social Justice Left will sometimes list Jews among the people who need to be supported and protected… But on the whole, it has trouble fitting Jews and antisemitism into its narratives about oppression because (1) most American Jews count as white, and enjoy the privileges thereunto pertaining, in most American contexts (as we are so often reminded, and openly acknowledge), and (2) Israel exists and many American Jews have a complicated attitude toward it.

Having strayed from its original very concrete legal meaning, I thought “intersectionality” was supposed to mean the recognition that when it comes to systems of power and privilege, shit is complicated. But this is a case where shit is too complicated even for most of the wielders of that word. 

The Florida Douglas High School Shooting Was an Anti-Semitic Hate Crime And Nobody’s Talking About…

Europe has a ‘Jewish’ soccer team problem

littlegoythings:

Seventeen-year-old Sjuul Deriet, standing outside this port city’s main soccer stadium on a rainy Sunday, vividly explains why he hates the people he calls “the Jews.”

“They have the money, they run the business from management positions and they think they’re better than blue-collar people like us,” said Deriet, who works at a catering business.

Yes, the statement sounds like typical anti-Semitic cliches. But it has nothing to do with actual Jews, Deriet hastened to tell JTA.

“I have nothing against your people. When I say I hate Jews, I just mean supporters of Ajax,” he said, referring to the Amsterdam soccer team that is an archrival of Deriet’s beloved Feyenoord Football Club of Rotterdam.

For the uninitiated: Fans of Ajax are often referred to as “the Jews,” likely because of the historical presence of Jews in the Dutch capital. As it happens, there are several soccer teams across Europe that are known as “Jewish” for similar reasons, including England’s Tottenham Hotspurs — they once had a strong fan base among the Jewish immigrants of North London — as well as Italy’s Roma and Germany’s Bayern Munich.

Both supporters and detractors often call the clubs Jewish, leading to some complicated situations. For example, it’s not uncommon at matches for fans of these teams to wave Israeli flags or shout their adoration for “the Jews.” At the same time, however, the detractors often display acrimonious hatred of “the Jews” — an uncomfortable situation that, depending on whom you ask, is either fed by or feeding anti-Semitism’s seeming comeback in Europe.

“Anti-Semitism in the stadiums has allowed the hate songs to gradually seep into society at large,” Manfred Gerstenfeld, a researcher of anti-Semitism and fellow at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, wrote in a 2011 research paper titled “Antisemitism and the Dutch Soccer Fields.”

Gerstenfeld’s paper shows how the chant “Hamas, Jews to the gas” has moved in Holland from the soccer pitch to anti-Israel protests.

In the case of Ajax, its “Jewish” nickname dates to the 1970s. It has the Amsterdam locale, and the team has had several Jewish managers and players — notably the late Johnny Roeg and Daniël de Ridder — as Ajax archivist Wim Schoevaart told Israeli filmmaker Nirit Peled in 2012. Peled made a film,“Super Jews,” about the team’s Jewish ties.

Ajax also had many Jewish fans because — ahem — “they played well and Jews like to get good quality for their money,” added Schoevaart, who died in 2013 at the age of 94.

Supporters of England’s Hotspurs proudly call themselves “Yids.” Based in North London, where most of the city’s 250,000 Jews reside, the Tottenham club also earned its Jewish credentials because its three chairmen since 1982 have been Jews.

Tottenham Hotspurs fans cheer at a match against Liverpool at Wembley Stadium in London, Oct. 22, 2017. (David Ramos/Getty Images)

But nowhere is the Jewish affiliation stronger than among Ajax fans, who like the film call themselves “Super Jews.” They wave giant Israeli flags during matches, sing “Hava Nagila” in stadiums and wear Star of David pendants around their necks.

“Maybe it sounds silly, but it was a uniting element that brought fans together,” veteran Ajax fan Ronald Pieldoor told Peled. “They sing about it, they wear the symbols, so it seems that it’s part of the identity of some Ajax supporters.”

At the same time, however, this borrowing of Jewish symbols by non-Jews (or “Ajax Jews,” as hardcore supporters call themselves) is triggering some of the most explicit and provocative expressions of anti-Semitic speech seen on the continent.

On Twitter, ahead of Sunday’s match in Rotterdam — Ajax won, 4-1 — fans of the rival team widely shared a picture of two Lithuanian Jewish boys wearing yellow stars taken just before their murder by Nazi collaborators. Ridiculing their suffering, the picture was titled “Back when Amsterdam had only one star.”

Jewish organizations decried the tweet as a new low point in a long list of offensive jokes and acts, including Nazi salutes in stadiums and hissing sounds, a reference to gas chambers, made by rivals when Ajax comes on the pitch. One popular anti-Ajax banner reads “Adolf, here are another 11 for you” — a reference to the team’s 11 players.

While similar phenomena occur with  Tottenham and Roma, they are particularly loaded in the Netherlands, where Nazis and their collaborators murdered 75 percent of the country’s prewar Jewish population of 140,000 – the highest death rate in Nazi-occupied Western Europe.

“It’s extremely hurtful,” said Ronny Naftaniel, a Dutch board member of CEJI, a Brussels-based Jewish organization promoting tolerance through education.

Yet not everyone believes the chants are anti-Semitic, per se. To Pieldoor, the veteran Ajax fan, the offensive chants have nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with fans’ desire to provoke Ajax supporters.

Following deadly hooliganism in the 1990s, Dutch police imposed strict measures during games, including a ban on Ajax contingents attending Feyenoord home games and vice versa.

“As police got better at keeping us apart, you could no longer have at it, you couldn’t throw bottles at each other, so the only recourse was verbal aggression,” Pieldoor said in the “Super Jews” documentary. Remarks that would be considered anti-Semitic in any other context are not necessarily so in soccer, he argued.

Soccer clubs and stadiums in the Netherlands and beyond have banned several fans for chanting insults and praises about Jews. Several court cases for incitement to racial hatred have been opened in recent years against fans who shouted anti-Semitic slogans at soccer matches.

But the nuances attached to the chants continue to be a source of some confusion in the European media. In January, the Dutch main public broadcaster, NOS, apologized to supporters of a soccer team from Utrecht for calling them anti-Semitic over their chanting that “the Jews are going to the slaughter” during a match against Ajax. In calling the chanting fans anti-Semitic, NOS “exaggerated and failed to set it in context,” a spokesman said.

And earlier this month Marca, the Spanish sports daily, apologized for an article in which it asserted — crassly but not inaccurately — that Tottenham is “hated by soccer fans because of the team’s Jewish origins.”

Back at the Feyenoord stadium, an elevated metal tunnel that used to lead from the train station to stadium stands as a silent reminder of the intensity of the hostility. Before they were banned from the stadium, Ajax fans would be led through the windowless tunnel into their cordoned-off section of the stadium.

“Ajax and Feyenoord have been at war for decades,” Feyenoord supporter Monti Ahmed, 22, told JTA. “It has nothing with Jews, they just kind of got dragged into it by Ajax supporters who started calling themselves Jewish.”

Unlike Ahmed, who believes Feyenoord fans should be allowed to shout whatever they wish, including about gas chambers, Feyenoord backer Hugo Mol said he wants to see some intervention.

“But it has to go both ways,” added Mol, a 21-year-old law student. “The Ajax fans call us Feyenoord fans ‘cockroaches’ in reference to how we survived the 1940 German bombings of Rotterdam. Sometimes they sing about bombing Rotterdam. But no one makes a fuss about that abuse of a war-related tragedy. So in a way, they are inviting this behavior by our fans.”

Ajax management recently banned the use of Israeli flags in its home stadium. And while the ban and a crackdown on fans offering anti-Semitic chants has helped reduce their prevalence, “Ajax fans find ways to wave Jewish symbols,” Naftaniel said, including flags of Maccabi, the Jewish sports organization.

“There needs to be zero tolerance for anti-Jewish chants in stadiums,” Naftaniel said. “But Ajax fans who adopt Jewish symbols are partly responsible for triggering this behavior.”

This is no more OK than the names of Washington, D.C.’s football team or Cleveland’s baseball team.

Europe has a ‘Jewish’ soccer team problem