the funny thing about bullies – especially self-righteous bullies that travel in packs, such as antis – is that 99.8% of the time they come out on top of any conflict they get into.
and holy hell, it’s fucking infuriating when it’s not completely exhausting.
we all like to see clapback at people who don’t play fair and treat others like shit. when someone is really nasty and abusive – when they’re chronically mean and dangerous and seemingly untouchable – it’s easy to yearn for their comeuppance and want to see them know they’re beat. we want the fear and shame and guilt bullies and abusers spread around revisited on their own head so they understand how awful a person they’ve been.
but realistically: you’ll never see a bully/abuser/anti doubt or question themselves. you’ll never see them backtrack with sincerity. you’ll never successfully shame them out of their behavior or devastate their confidence with your logic and consistency, because successful bullies – by definition – will always be less empathetic, more shameless, and more self-serving than anyone they have the power to abuse.
you will never beat a bully at the shame game. bullies live that game. shaming others is the source of their social power; they know (at least subconsciously) that flinching is game over. when someone points out their behavior is something shameful, they have to excuse or deflect or dismiss it: else, they lose. They deserved it. they hurt me first. who cares what you have to say?
and if you don’t have the direct authority to punish a bully, why should they care? abusers thrive in this world because they’ve decided the ethics and empathy that guide social rules don’t apply to them. Ethical people have lines they cannot cross without violating their sense of what’s right: abusers trample those lines, doing whatever serves them best, because they’re not obligated to care.
maybe it seems unthinkable they’d get away with it … but in general, our social networks have an inbuilt ‘get out of jail free’ card for abusers. we have to trust others are following the same social rules we are. when we don’t trust that, it’s actually worse. (we get … well, present-day tumblr, probably.) but that very trust makes society blind to behavior that crosses lines – it’s too unthinkable that anyone would do that. innocent until proven guilty. and that doubt protects abusers who are willing to pretend they too are trusting, caring people who follow the rules.
in fact, bullies care more about setting down social rules than anyone because they limit the behavior of everyone other than themselves.
Rules set boundaries for ethical people. trust that those rules will be followed blinds people to all but the most blatant rule-breaking behavior. and when bullies lay down the rules, the rules themselves are often designed to encourage and shelter abusers.
I believe this is why the worst abusers so often turn out to be the most vocal activist, the most upright churchgoer, the politician with the anti-abuse platform. Such bullies do, in fact, truly advocate for everyone following the standards of behavior they support … except themselves.* These abusers are free to jump in and out of bounds whenever it suits their needs, making them all but impossible to call out.
They harass and threaten and torment their targets, exploiting the victims’ trust and sense of obligation to protect the bully from exposure. but the moment a target retaliates, abusers are the first to call them out for bad behavior, damaging the victim’s reputation and improving their own without compunction, sympathy, or remorse.**
Perhaps the most ironic part is that the higher the standard of behavior the bully advocates for, gatekeeps, and regularly violates, the more powerful and invulnerable they become and the more blatant and open their two-faced behavior can be. Their hypocrisy is only remarkable to people who know what standards they supposedly uphold and demand of others. To everyone else the standards themselves are absurd. so what if a person falls short sometimes? why do you care? why are you surprised?
This is the social loophole that bullies and abusers in the anti-shipping movement exploit – and there are a lot of abusive anti-shippers. As the self-declared fandom/shipping police, tasking themselves with creating rules of conduct and aiming to enforce them by shaming, guilting, and threatening dissenters, anti culture by nature attracts the best shame game players – bullies and abusers – and draws them into its ranks.
unhampered by social obligation or a need to play fair, abusers rapidly rise to the top of policing communities like anti-shipping. already governed only by their own convenience, an abuser will never suffer from concerns of going ‘too far’; therefore, the loyalty of an abuser to a cause that gives them licence to abuse will never come into question. their gleeful eagerness to punish, lack of sympathy for their targets, and their willingness to come down hard even on other antis is both admired and feared. everyone wants to be their friend to insure their inevitable slip-ups due to self-conflicting rules are forgiven, unwittingly putting themselves in debt to a person who will never let them forget it.
so who’s left to call a hypocrite out, even when their hypocrisy is open and blatant? at least subconsciously aware that the the only real tethers on behavior in spaces where authority is nonexistent – tumblr, twitter, etc – are empathy and shame, abusers do their level best to evoke those feelings in everyone around them while being completely free of those feelings themselves. they cannot be shamed by anyone; they don’t play fair and they don’t show sympathy if it doesn’t serve their needs.
In short: as long as a bully’s opponent gives even the slightest fuck about playing fair, being kind, and giving the benefit of the doubt, they will never out-bully a bully.
the point of this long-winded post is this:
if you’re hoping for some creator to smack antis down; if you’re sitting in front of your computer, jaw dropped, as antis flock to the dmcb fandom and set up their absurd rules despite the source material being in conflict with everything antis supposedly stand for; if you see anti-shipper victims sharing how they were driven to suicide attempts and think ‘surely this time antis will be conscience-striken’: the reality is that anti-shippers will never apologize, will never admit to hypocrisy, and will never take ownership of the consequences of their actions.
bullies always come up smelling like roses because they know social rules are actually nigh-unenforceable. They only apply to the abuser if the abuser chooses to abide by the rules, and why would they limit themselves like that?
and if you don’t like it, there’s nothing you can do about it.
that’s the joke. (i’m not laughing either.)
*and the louder bullies support the cause of vulnerable people, the more unthinkable it is that they would ever exploit vulnerability themselves.
**this is a wildly successful technique abusers use for self-protection. it accomplishes many things at once:
it feeds the abuser’s deluded worldview wherein their target is the badguy and the abuser is their hapless victim. (this is how abusers justify abuse most of the time: they have to act outside the rules to protect themselves!)
puts the spotlight on the victim, magnifying their errors and minimizing/erasing the effect of the abuser’s provocation
the victim feels ashamed for their behavior; even if they realize they wer provoked, they are ethically bound to acknowledge what they did was wrong (and the abuser will hold it against them for eternity)
the victim may be successfully gaslighted into doubting that their actions were provoked or warranted
if the victim attempts to act against their abuser’s interest in the future, their credibility is now damaged/doubtful
if the abuser can’t pull off looking squeaky-clean to others, tarnishing their target’s reputation makes outsiders less likely to come to their aid, excusing the abusive dynamic as ‘mutual.’
I seriously wonder about minors who are like “THERES A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 16 YEAR OLD AND A 20 YEAR OLD!!!” bc like….. please. please go interact with people outside of your high school
go be a camp counselor or make friends at conventions or join a community theater or – something. literally anything that gets you interacting on an equal level with people more than a year or two older than you. school creates an artificial power imbalance that is highly dependent on age, that’s not how maturity works. You SHOULD be having more and more experiences as you approach adulthood where you’re on equal footing with adults. Having adult friends who aren’t directly responsible for your wellbeing is healthy and it’s insane and concerning to me that that’s so RARE now.
(When I say “responsible for your wellbeing” I mean, like, legally liable in some way. A decent friend shouldn’t endanger you or help you break the law, that’s not what I’m talking about here.)
as someone who has experienced being both older and younger than 16 and 20 years old? The difference is NOT as big as you feel it is, and that feeling is shaped by culture, not actual maturity. make friends outside your immediate age bracket, for god’s sake.
you sound like a fucking pedophile.
without infantilizing teenagers or thinking they’re the same as young kids, any reasonable adult knows that there is still a difference in maturity and experience between a teen and an adult.
teens, please stay away from adults who say shit like “there’s really not such a difference between (mid-teen age) and (early-20s age).” there is. watch out for creeps like this.
I wonder how a blog about shipping and being angry at “antis” suddenly makes the leap to endorsing 16 year olds dating 20 year olds /s
1) the argument was contextual in reference to someone specifically, verbatim, saying “THERES A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 16 AND A 20 YEAR OLD!!!” Followed by “ADULTS HAVE NO REASON TO BE FRIENDS WITH TEENS EXCEPT PREYING ON THEM” which is. not true and a terrifying thing to say to teens.
2) how many times do I have to say “friends” and “don’t do anything illegal” in one post before someone jumps wholesale to calling me a pedophile for…. saying that young adults and late teens can and should be friends?
3) given the number of people calling 16 year olds “literal children”, I’m not at all sure that infantilizing teens isn’t what’s happening here
4) the post wasn’t about romantic relationships, the comments weren’t about romantic relationships, romantic relationships are different from friendships and even small power imbalances should be approached more carefully except that I said the word friendship in EVERY PARAGRAPH OF THE ORIGINAL POST
In my experience, most 16-year-olds are morons. In fact, most 18-year-olds are morons. But a very few won’t be. And those non-moronic teenagers might be aware that almost everyone else their age is a moron and they might want to spend time with someone who isn’t a moron. They can and should MAKE FRIENDS with people older than them.
Most undergrads are morons. But a few aren’t. Some of them might get their heads out of their asses for long enough to realize that grad students are not strange gremlins who live in caves and only come out to lead discussion sections before returning to their caves to grade papers and cackle over all the points they’re taking off. (I don’t cackle. I drink.) Some of those undergrads are my friends. I have an undergrad friend who is 10 years younger than me. We are both music nerds. We both sing in choirs. We both have a snarky, slightly bitchy sense of humor, as do the rest of our group of mutual friends (who are between us in age). She doesn’t understand my references to early 2000s internet culture and I don’t understand her preoccupation with Snapchat, but other than that we have a fair amount in common.
If you think I sound like a pedophile for saying that, you are, like most people your age, a moron.
it’s very, very American. While there are certainly antis who aren’t American, many of them are.
I have a lot of theories as to why this is, but a lot of them are covered in this post: anti-shipping as the cool new trend (while it’s mostly about the age bracket of anti-shippers as of June 2017 (this time last year), it’s an americentric post talking almost entirely about US phenomena).
tl;dr version? anti-shipping is:
the natural result of growing up both LGBT+/queer and marinated in American-flavored Puritan Christianity/purity culture
with a side order of valuing safety over freedom
b/c you’ve always had freedom of information
but you’ve never known a sense of security
thanks to lifelong internet access
paired with post-9/11 paranoia.
add a dash of radical feminism/exclusionist thinking
never being taught how to think critically, and
zero education on sex of any kind, and
viola: anti-shippers.
someone* added these tags to their reblog of this post, which, uh: this is literally the basic, standard fandom anti-shipper position on ships.
Whether you call yourself an ‘anti’ or not, this is precisely what a fandom anti does: ‘throw down’ if they think someone’s ships are ‘abusive’, ‘pedophilia’, or ‘incest’ (generally with widely expanded definitions, hence the scare quotes).
it’s a pretty solid example of how this works, though:
tag op is 21: too young to remember a world before 9/11 happened or remember a world without internet access
tag op’s strong feelings about fictional ships suggests they flatten fiction and reality to equal levels of potential danger: classic black & white thinking structure that is strongly encouraged by American Protestant Christianity
tag op didn’t read this post with self-awareness and/or application of critical thought, much less click the link that the tl;dr list references
tag op feels justified in limiting other people’s freedom to use fictional ships to explore certain social/romantic/sexual dynamics, threatening to throw down over it.
this is because those social/romantic/sexual dynamics are not safe or healthy in real life.
even though ships are fictional, the safety of censorship is more important than freedom of expression or thought.
the concern is always about ships/sex fantasies: never violence/fantasies about harming others. this is the combined effect of purity culture and radical feminism in a society that glorifies and normalizes violence.
tag op will fight you for bad ships, because it is okay to fantasize about fighting people but not okay to fantasize about unhealthy fictional relationships
Anyway.
I have a lot of sympathy for antis because I think their lives often set them up to favor censorship and abhor education-as-inoculation, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re being jerks to fellow fans on the basis of assuming things about the core of their person because of what they ship.
fandom policing of this sort is assumptive, presumptive, and deeply damaging, both to the victims of anti-shipper cyberbullying and the anti-shippers themselves, who are encouraged in this abusive cycle hellhole behavior by emotional manipulation and coercion.
(I want to end this with a joke about how American this is, but assholes are everywhere tbh. Americans are just especially susceptible to the thinking patterns established by fandom antis at this precise moment in history because of the factors listed above.)
*if you figure out who it is, kindly be a decent person and leave them the hell alone.
It’s grown men out here fucking stuffed My Little Pony dolls and ruining a children’s cartoon to the point where kids can’t even google it without being assaulted by Rule 34, but sure let’s not judge people for their fandom habits because that’s petty and dramatic. I don’t think y’all realize (or maybe you don’t care) that predators, abusers, and bigots occupy fandom spaces too, and don’t think they not smart enough to couch their sick and disgusting interests in language that makes t sound reasonable and agreeable. This isn’t like some ‘date me mothman’ type shit. Like folks out here really exploring sick ass pedo and incest fantasies via fandom and we supposed to just sit here and let them because y’all don’t wanna cause ‘drama’? Literally shut the fuck up, Susan. Just because you white and literally none of the shitty parts of fandom affect you outside of someone not liking your dumbass ship doesn’t mean the rest of us have to keep quiet when the fandom is anything but fun and safe for us.
I can’t fucking stand that mealy-mouthed fauxgressive ‘ship and let ship’ shit for that reason.
Gee, that’s funny. I’ve done a Google search for My Little Pony with Safe Search OFF, and found absolutely nothing:
The reality is that probably 90% of the people you’re bitching at are teenage girls, and the shit people like you are doing and saying is actively harming and shaming them at a point in their lives when they’re trying to figure out their own sexuality:
The internet? It’s not a babysitter. It’s the job of PARENTS to keep their kids safe–NOT total strangers. Furthermore, your mental well-being isn’t our responsibility, either. It’s frankly manipulative to try to force that onto people that don’t even know you. You honestly cannot expect millions of people the world over to be PG every moment of the day. That’s asinine and unrealistic. With that said, parents have tools at their disposal to filter out what they don’t want to be seen. So do YOU. If you’re old enough to be on tumblr, you’re old enough to have some personal fuckin’ accountability. I may not like everything I see on here, but I also know I can’t do anything to stop anyone, and neither can you. In the end, you’re not only wasting your time, but you’re probably causing people to make more of what you don’t like just to spite you (hello? Streisand Effect, anyone?). In other words, being a loud, obnoxious, intrusive asshole is just making things even worse for you.
Not only does fiction not impact reality, it’s like a valve: It may very well PREVENT real children from being victimized, and there is legitimate study behind this. Not that any of you truly care about anyone besides yourselves, and being personally inconvenienced by seeing things you can easily avoid.
As for claims of “grooming”, you don’t seem to understand how that process actually works. An abuser can groom a victim without ever using anything sexual whatsoever. It’s about trust. It can be something as simple as an interest in model airplanes–does that make those “problematic”? As for those abusers, chances are that they’re not some random stranger on the internet, but someone known to the victim. You may not want to hear this, but the greatest threat to children statistically? Their own mothers.
You need to understand that you don’t speak for every person. None of you in the notes prior to this reblog do. You don’t represent millions of others, including the many CSA victims who have stepped forward to disagree with your claims many times, only to be dismissed as if their personal experiences didn’t matter. The things you’re seeing now? They’ve been in fandoms for a long time (Google “Tijuana bibles”…this shit’s been around for literally 100 YEARS), and yet, they don’t seem to have affected the rest of us. As shown in an earlier link, all types of violent crime and abuse have dramatically gone down as our media has become increasingly violent, and increasingly available. Your argument just does not hold up to reality.
Anyhow, I know you’re not even going to bother to read any of this, and will probably also assume my race and gender, as if that’s somehow relevant to the discussion, and doesn’t just make you look hilariously immature.
Also their assumption that the MLP fandom does nothing to prevent R34 from showing up in safesearch is absolutely false.
The fandom actually does a regular cleaning out of R34 from safesearch, known as Safe Search Wrap Up.
So they are actively trying to prevent porn from being shown to kids.
what a good ask. censorship is always great in the first person (I censor dangerous content) and oppressive in the third person (they censor dangerous content). And it’s not just a tool of authoritarianism: it’s a tool of maintaining the status quo.
what many antis fail to consider is that while they’re out here getting offended at disgusting fanworks and demanding they disappear, people with far more power and authority than them are offended, too, and want those same works to disappear … in addition to hundreds of thousands of other works.
that ‘every ship I hate is pedophilia’ sword that anti-shippers picked up? that’s a favorite conservative mantra against all content containing LGB/queer sexual orientations. (‘Gay’ and ‘pedophile’ were treated as quite the same thing in mainstream American consciousness up until very, very recently.)
The ‘non-vanilla/kinky fan content is abuse apologism and inappropriate sexualization’ dagger? SWERF rhetoric against sex workers repurposed for fandom, which itself bears a striking resemblance to puritan repression of sexual expression. (also: kink and queer/LGBT communities have a long, friendly history. Is it coincidence conservatives hate kink, even straight kinksters? I think not.)
the ‘mlm fiction is only for mlm to create and consume’ maul? it’s the exact same weapon against queer representation in the mainstream relabled to sound progressive. (conservatives don’t care if you’re trying to protect straight people from ‘corruption’ or gay men from ‘fetishization’: either way, non-straight content is out of the picture!)
In a bittersweet way, it’s good news that younger fandom members who are LGBT/queer and/or like non-straight/non-cis content are utterly free of fear that somebody will try to censor fan content simply for being LGBT/queer. It goes to show how far we’ve come in online – and to some degree, offline! – spaces in promoting acceptance of non-straight orientations and non-cis gender identities.
Unfortunately, antis use the same anti-minority censorship weapons on ‘smaller’ targets, and I worry that it will blind them to the warning signs of incoming content purges. they’ll be in for a very unpleasant shock if a bigger fish comes into our little fandom pond and reminds us all what these censorship weapons are really for: destroying anything that doesn’t suit the comfort zone of the mainstream population. (such as – drumroll, please – LGBT/queer content of any kind. (sorry antis – that includes sfw kl@nce.))
(and all of this applies to more than lgbt/queer content, of course. it’s just been the main thing to come up again and again.)