Yes, I definitely agree with you, and I think I’ve ranted about it before. Actually, I think his treatment is misogynistic in two respects: his character is treated the way female characters usually are; and the way his death happened – in the first 10 minutes for shock value, with unusual gruesomeness and brutality, and with that fourth-wall-breaking “No resurrections this time” line – shows utter contempt for Loki’s fans, who are understood to be mostly female.
I searched “loki’s death in infinity war” on my blog and came up with this post where I answered a similar question from someone else and also linked to previous rants about it and reblogs of other people’s rants. Here’s another one that I don’t think I linked in that post.
I’m not sure how you feel about Ragnarok, but I’ve also reblogged and/or contributed to a couple of long analyses of how Loki’s discarding in Infinity War was connected to the deflation and ridicule of his character in Ragnarok, which was ultimately a misogynistic fuck-you to his fans: here’s one, here’s another, and here’s a third.
Honestly, the best advice I can give you is to go to university (if you haven’t already; I don’t know how old you are) and take some classes on philosophy and/or writing argumentative essays. And by “argumentative” I don’t mean belligerent or combative; I mean essays that put forward a thesis and support it with evidence and logic. Philosophy courses will teach you how to do that in a particular way, but it’s a more generally applicable skill that might be better served by the kind of classes that teach you how to write, e.g., an op-ed for a newspaper or an online magazine.
In theory, I can teach you, because supposedly my doctoral degree qualifies me to teach critical writing and thinking – though sadly little of PhD training goes toward pedagogy. (I’m designing and leading my own course for the first time this semester and it’s really feeling like I’m a toddler that someone has thrown into a shark-infested lagoon and told to have a nice swim.) But I don’t think I can teach you by myself (certainly not without a lot of work that I’m not willing to do for free). I’ve acquired my ability to write and argue and my basis of knowledge from which to do it over a lot of years of training and practice, with input and feedback and mentoring from a lot of professors in college and grad school, as well as from the PhD students who were my college TAs and were paid peanuts to read my shitty essays and tell me how to make them less shitty. It takes a village, Rome wasn’t built in a day, “stay in school, kids!”, and all those other delightful clichés.
James Rhodes, a pianist, performed a Bach composition for his Youtube channel, but it didn’t stay up – Youtube’s Content ID system pulled it down and accused him of copyright infringement
because Sony Music Global had claimed that they owned 47 seconds’ worth
of his personal performance of a song whose composer has been dead for
300 years.
Just last week, German music professor Ulrich Kaiser posted his research
on automated censorship of classical music, in which he found that it
was nearly impossible to post anything by composers like Bartok,
Schubert, Puccini and Wagner, because companies large and small have
fraudulently laid claim to their whole catalogs.
Europeans have one week to contact their MEPs to head off this catastrophe.
Stop what you’re doing and contact two friends in the EU right now and send them to Save Your Internet – before it’s too late.
HI!! REMEMBER BACK IN JULY WHERE WE GOT FIRST PART OF ARTICLE 13 STOPPED? WELL NOW WE´RE IN ROUND 2!!
WE NEED TO STOP THIS!!
AND WE ONLY HAVE A FEW DAYS!!! THE VOTE IS SET FOR 12 SEPT.!!
IF YOU LIVE IN EU CALL YOUR MP AND ASK THEM TO VOTE NO
AND YOU LIVE OUTSIDE EU PLZ SHARE SO AS MANY PPL AS POSSIBLE SEES THIS
I ONLY SAW A POST ABOUT IT TODAY , 7 SEPT.!!
WE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!!
This is fucking ridiculous.
Im pretty sure music copyright laws literally state that 70 years after the death of the composer it’s basically fair game
That’s current copyright law in most of Europe. It’s more complicated in the US – but most of these compositions were out of copyright before any of us were born.
Companies are claiming they own the copyright – committing copyright fraud – because they know that users who post things don’t have the legal resources to go after them. The DMCA has penalties for false reports, but nobody uses them; the courts don’t see false claims as a reason to get involved.
Gay people have a very long and proud history of not being able to sit down properly in chairs. It can be argued that Oscar Wilde in fact was fundamental in the creation of this aspect of gay culture. In this essay, I will
Does anyone want to talk about how ridiculous it is that Valkyrie, of all people, shames Loki for not caring about doing the right thing?
Loki: I don’t mean to impose… (Valkyrie throws a bottle at him because violence is only bad if The Villain™ does it) Loki: The Grandmaster has a great many ships. I may even have stolen the access codes to his security system. Valkyrie: And suddenly you’re overcome with an urge to do the right thing?
You know… the same woman who spent half this movie also avoiding Thor’s attempts to gain her aid? The one who only decided to help out about five minutes prior to this scene? The one who arguably never would have wound up helping had Loki not invaded her memories, thus jolting her out of complacency? That Valkyrie?
Yeah, and considering her history in enslaving people for the Grandmaster runs about 1000 or so years? Maybe more, I can’t recall, she doesn’t really have the moral high ground.
In fact, Loki attempting to capture Thor and surrender him to the Grandmaster is more in line with something that Valkyrie would likely pursue (considering her time in Sakaar). Maybe they should have made her more difficult to convince.
Her comment/question is rather out of place also and would have to assume that she’s familiar with Loki to the level that Thor or Hulk (cause of NY) are.
I can only assume she said it in retaliation to what Loki did with her mind, but, in my opinion, she probably would have said something else.
Or they could have validated that she wasn’t necessarily trustworthy too.
It just felt like more of Taika’s lazy story-telling to me, as opposed to Valkyrie getting back at him for the whole ‘invading my mind’ thing. (But hey, don’t invade people’s brains, kids. It’s quite rude). I personally viewed it more as like, “hey, we haven’t reminded people that Loki’s a bad egg in the last 3 minutes or so; better let someone have a dig at his loose morals” sort of BS that is honestly just rampant in Thor: Ragnarok.
Like, I know Ragnarok critics get labelled conspiracy theorists for thinking (or at least speaking as though) Taika just had it out for Loki and wanted to degrade him as much as possible. And I get it, that sounds objectively insane. But just, looking at the narrative of the film itself, it’s… hard not to get that impression? And there’s really no other indicator in that movie–unless I’m forgetting something–that anyone on Sakaar (not including Thor and Bruce, obviously) has a clue who Loki really is. I guess it’s possible that they do, but there’s no evidence that that’s the case. More show & tell problems in this film.
I actually do want to address the ‘betraying Thor for money’ thing, though. Because I see a lot of people complaining that it’s completely out of character for Loki to do so for the money, and I actually have a different take on it. We all know Loki is rarely able to just be honest about what’s going on in his head. That’s essentially what the entire conflict between him and Thor has been fueled by for all this time, really. So I kind of headcanon that Loki might have told Thor that it was for the money, but I personally believe that in reality, it was actually Loki’s last-ditch effort to save his brother. Even as strong as he and Thor both are, individually and together, he did not believe Hela was an enemy that they could defeat (which is technically true)–especially now that she’s all cozy on Asgard, where she’ll be even stronger than when they first met her. Loki already failed once to talk Thor into staying on Sakaar of his own free will; I think betraying him was Loki’s way of trying to keep him safe from Hela by any means necessary.
I also think that deceptiveness can extend to his fight with Valkyrie too. A lot of Loki fans complain about her being able to take him captive so easily, but I choose to believe he lost to her intentionally. Easy ticket to finding his brother. He is the trickster god. Why are we suddenly taking him at face value all the time?
Admittedly, when it comes to Thor: Ragnarok, it’s super hard to decide when Loki is acting out of character because he’s running a scheme and when he’s doing it because of bad writing.
People actually call Loki stans (the true Loki stans) and people who don’t like Ragnarok as idiots just ‘cause we analyzed the movie from start to finish. Most of these people who insult us are new to the fandom and only saw Ragnarok. And even if they saw the other Thor movies they don’t remember it or for some reason they don’t like it. They just here for the jokes and, me, who is someone who’s here for depth of character, good storytelling and just pure emotion cannot deal with people like that.
Valkyrie is a good character but i wish people wouldn’t forget that she has done more wrong than Loki. She’s captured slaves for the Grandmaster for centuries. But of course she’s a hero like Thor and can do no wrong. Also people keep forgetting that the Grandmaster himself is a despot and a tyrant who has no mercy or respect for life. But you know he talks funny and so its all okay.
You know… the same woman who spent half this movie also avoiding Thor’s attempts to gain her aid? The one who only decided to help out about five minutes prior to this scene? The one who arguably never would have wound up helping had Loki not invaded her memories, thus jolting her out of complacency? That Valkyrie?
In fact, Valkyrie’s own words about “
suddenly you’re overcome with an urge to do the right thing?
“ itself applies accurately to what Valkyrie was doing exactly at that time.
And to be honest, Valkyrie is a hypocrite. Considering about her own deeds that sold many non-guilty people into slavery and causing those people’s deaths for thousands years, and the fact that she knows almost nothing about Loki himself, she has absolutely no right to judge Loki and then acts like she has never done anything wrong in her life, ever.
Valkyrie is a good character but i wish people wouldn’t forget that she has done more wrong than Loki. She’s captured slaves for the Grandmaster for centuries. But of course she’s a hero like Thor and can do no wrong. Also people keep forgetting that the Grandmaster himself is a despot and a tyrant who has no mercy or respect for life. But you know he talks funny and so its all 🆗.
People often forget about her actions because the narrative never call it. The narrative of Ragnarok want to condemn Loki only out of other characters and exaggerating his “evilness” into stereotype and caricature-like so people start to regard him as only “a mere background character who is just an useless twink who have no dignity and just nothing but a pest to Thor the Perfect ‘Hero’ with no absolute importance other than being fan-service”. That’s why they’re so many double standards in Ragnarok especially regarding Loki.
Waititi did have it in for Loki, he admitted it. He said Loki’s treatment and humiliation was “payback” for overshadowing the other movies. Everything, from that stupid play, to the deleted port o potty scene, to being chained up and having glass bottles thrown at his head, to Thor’s triumphant obedience disc scene was all a reflection of exactly how Waititi feels about Loki. “Blah, blah, blah, shut up, space orphan” “Loki tries so hard to be this tortured, artistic, space orphan”. Waititi’s not subtle about it. He thinks all the little Loki lovers are idiots. He meant out to “respectfully” disrespect the other movies, and extend a middle finger to those of us whose favorite character wasn’t Thor. It’s funny how, in that scene where Loki is sitting there chained up, nobody there, not Thor, not Bruce or Valkyrie, have any right to stand there and judge Loki. Valkyrie was just as much a “lackey” of the Grandmaster, if not moreso, because she worked for him and enslaved people for him for a long, long, time. She knew about the orgy ship too, and was obviously in high favor with the grandmaster. But yet in that scene, suddenly Thor, Bruce and Valkyrie are the spotless heroes with the right to look down their noses at Loki? No.
I’m so baffled by his use of “space orphan” as an insult. Shouldn’t that make Loki *more* sympathetic? I mean, much of the plot of “Pirates of Penzance” turns on the fact that being an orphan makes people more sympathetic to you. What’s Waititi’s problem?
‘The great Tom Hiddleston. You know, we were in that movie Thor: Ragnarok, and we played Loki and Grandmaster respectively. Now when I go on to – pathetically and obsessively – my #JeffGoldblum on Instagram account, I see many, many… I don’t know if you’ve seen them Tom? I see many, many sketches, and rendering and cartoons of our characters involved in what seems to be a deeply romantic, and wildly sexual relationship. I tell you this. I cherish every single one of those, and I will for the rest of my life!’
Tom Hiddleston presents Jeff Goldblum with his GQ Man of the Year Haig Club Icon Award, 5th September 2018 (and definitely gets more information than he bargained for in return!) 😂
Sign on one of the stalls at the market (they were called Wolves of Odin)
((Other germanic lore (norse myths, etc) related stall names included Skulls of Midgard, Rheingold, and others that I am currently blanking on but I swear they sounded cool x’D))
Loki is the Philosopher King 