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*deep breath* 

The second most irritating thing a person can say in regards to Loki is that that he faked his sacrifice in TDW. Bonus points if they’re a fan of Ragnarok, which goes out of its way to point out how Loki’s illusions are not solid. THEY ARE NOT SOLID. They become distorted when touched. So how the fuck did Loki fake being stabbed? And when he nearly got sucked into a black hole grenade saving Jane, was that part of his master plan to take the throne of Asgard, too? What about offering said throne to Thor? Ugh! 

The most irritating thing a person can say in regards to Loki is that he faked his death/suicide in Thor. I have no words for these people. They render me speechless.

#there are some opinions i cannot stand#because they make no sense#and create a divide between good and evil loki#when really there isn’t one#loki is always just loki#he can have sacrificed himself for thor and taken advantage when death didn’t stick#because that’s who loki is#simultaneously loving and devoted and cunning and opportunist#and again i have no words for those who think falling into the void was faking death#just no (original tags)

Logic? Consistency? Attention to the content of previous canon? What are those?

Moral complexity? A person who loves the hero but doesn’t always do exactly what he wants? What is that?

I’ve been told that there were people who claimed even before Ragnarok came out that Loki threw himself into the black hole at the end of Thor to escape being held accountable for his actions. If there are such people, I suspect that they started advocating this view as part of the backlash against the “Loki apologists,” so called, of “Loki’s Resistance,” who at the extreme end claim that Loki does not deserve blame for anything he has done, and instead lay all the blame on Odin’s terrible parenting, Thor’s bullying and alleged abuse, and Thanos’s brainwashing and/or full-on mind control. The reaction of Thor’s defenders has been to insist that Loki deserves unmitigated blame for everything and to undercut anything that appears to make Loki deserve our sympathy – including his suicide attempt. You might *think* Loki suffers from severe mental illness and profound self-loathing, but no: he was planning genocide even before he learned that he was Jotun (I have seen people claim this), and what looks like a suicide attempt was just slithering out of punishment.

Ragnarok has exacerbated and given canon legitimization to this tendency by trivializing the issues of Loki’s heritage and his attempted suicide. At a party on Sakaar, Loki tells a story that ends with him hanging over a rift in space, and “at that moment I let go.” Everyone laughs, including him. People have offered all kinds of explanations for why this isn’t as unbelievably insensitive as it seems: we all make light of our trauma to keep it from overwhelming us, of course Loki would do the same; or maybe he’s gone through a course of therapy through theater and has recovered from all his issues and moved on. But the other obvious explanation for why Loki might be laughing about letting himself fall is that it was never a suicide attempt; it was just him being his incorrigible trickster self, cleverly faking his death to get away with mass murder.

I’m confused about a non-criticism/analysis detail, as it impacts continuity for fanfiction.

Where in Ragnarok does it depict his illusions as unsolid & weren’t they already depicted as dissolving when touched? (I am a fan so I’m extra confused—lol)

I thought we saw this in Thor (2011), and definitely did in Avengers and with Frigga’s early in TDW.

You’re a fan of “Ragnarok”? Then you must have noticed that it thematizes the non-solidity of the illusions: on 3 occasions, Thor throws things at Loki to determine whether it’s really him or just an illusion. When it’s an illusion, the pebbles he throws cause glitches in the illusion and go through.

This actually differs from the way the non-solidity had been shown in “The Avengers” and TDW, in which the illusions dissolve on contact. It was slightly different in “Thor”: when Loki uses an illusion to trick a Frost Giant into running off a cliff, the giant runs through his projection, but the projection stays there until Loki dismisses it with a hand gesture.

The point was not that “Ragnarok” revises canon on illusion solidity; on the contrary, it’s surprising that it agrees with previous canon on that point, considering that it’s pushing the narrative that everything about Loki’s apparent death in TDW was faked and he deserves no credit for getting himself impaled to save Thor and avenge Frigga. But how could he have faked it? Considering that Ragnarok itself affirms that Loki’s illusions aren’t solid, wouldn’t Kurse have noticed that Loki’s body provided no resistance to the blade?