I wanted to write this post since I
watched TR but I wasn’t calm enough for it until now. Even writing so little
about how TR unfairly treated Loki’s character and disrespected him and his
fans in my TR reviews made me angry enough to start shouting in my head and
rendered me unable to write it the way I wanted. Then IW happened and it was
the cause for another wave of rage in me. So it took me a long time.We always talk about how TR
disrespected Loki and took away a lot of his canon characterizations and
motives and his arc from him. I noticed we never explained it in details and it
caused a lot of misunderstandings about why we hate TR and what we mean. So
this is a detailed explanation of how TR took everything from Loki.This sums up why I hate Gagnarok! Thank you!
Honestly Ragnarok revived thor as a character. If not for it we probably wouldn’t even have a chance at getting more thor content let alone loki content after A4. The context of the events made it have room for more comedy, yeah. Some of it was still reinvented yes, sure, but most people, casuals and fans alike, kinda didnt really gaf about thor or his movies before that. But you wanna be mad about loki not being as emo dark broody? Especially when yall want him to have some happy in his life? Okay. He probably at least has some chance of being revived now. More than he would have without Ragnarok making so many more people give a shit about thor. Hell it made people like BANNER. Banner made the most sense to change after being Hulk so long and it messing with his head but think about it, people like BANNER now. Even Hulk is more interesting now ffs. Even the side characters were so interesting that people want more of them. If they aren’t already planning to retcon lokis death in a4 he’s probably not coming back. Ever. But at least post Ragnarok there is more of a chance. Even Tom seems to be acting like its final this time. What was it, 2 years they told him ahead of time? Also, they had PLANNED for it to be final the first time until at test screenings people didn’t buy it. Not because people were fans of loki and begged for more of him at them, but because people didn’t think it was real. Marvel went into those screenings thinking they had done a good job at completing lokis character. If a retcon isnt planned they probably think they did a good job this time too. Which brings me to my next point. Marvel is SHIT at giving satisfying endings to characters. Trash. Utter fucking garbage. It’s their BIGGEST short coming. No one in the mcu is even close to ready for their storyline to be wrapped up properly. None of their archs have reached a satisfying or complete point. And we know more people are gonna stay dead in A4. However it ends for any of these characters whenever the time comes for them to either peace out or be killed off its gonna leave people wanting for more. And unless Marvel hires some new writers to consult with about character development and endings this is what were gonna be stuck with. Every time. With every character. Too may casual fans just dgaf about there being more depth and that’s who they’re appealing to the most because why do more when most people who watch these things have little to no investment in the characters and are just there to watch the next marvel movie because they’re generally entertaining. Why put in more effort and risk more storytelling wise if what they’re doing already works for most people. Guys, if Loki is permanently gone at least he got a taste of happiness before they did it. That was the best they were gonna give as an ending. Its probably the best were gonna get out of any characters ending in this series.
Honestly yall are way too invested in characters and storylines marvel is NEVER going to do justice for. Never going develop consistently for. Never going to properly complete archs for. Never going to fully flesh out. Never going to tie things up satisfyingly for. Never going to make definitive endings feel complete for. Never. This series is great, for what it is. It has gone above and beyond for what it is, but its still just what it is. A superhero series for the masses. This series isnt a masterpiece and it isn’t going to be. Marvel will always go right to whatever they think is gonna make them the most money at the time and in doing so will skip all of the steps of story and character development needed to have gotten there naturally if that’s what it takes. They dgaf. If something isn’t working well enough they have 0 interest in developing it to a point where it will and will just skip 10 steps or more ahead instead to get there. Too bad so freakin sad. This isn’t a surprise. Everyone on Ragnarok loved doing that movie. Yeah it was a reach in many ways, but they did the best damn job making sense of it that they could. Marvel was never gonna give them a few more thor movies inbetween to develop to a more comedic point. Sorry. They thought, hey not nearly as many people like thor as we need. Ok what can we do? And Ragnarok is what they came up with, and it worked. They got exactly what they wanted. And Chris was over old thor too so be mad at him as well because he was a big part of this dialogue. Tom seems content with Lokis IW end so be mad at him too. They know how marvel runs and enjoy it for what it is. That’s all anyone can do. Idk what else to say. I prefer more from stories and characters too but I know this isnt where to look for that. Just be glad it’s not sherlock series 4.
It really amazes me that in a post about “why we don’t like what TR did to Loki” with a complete list of explanations I get an answer about what is assumed to be TR’s improvements to Thor franchise. Which is a matter of personal taste really, because I didn’t like how TR made Thor and Banner ooc and I know many people who agree with me. And I have enough reasons for my dislike too. But I don’t ask anyone to agree with me. That’s my opinion and I don’t care about how many more people love those new retconings of the characters. The amount of people liking or disliking sth doesn’t prove that thing is better or worse. I’ve seen that this post is liked or reblogged by people who liked TR and it shows that they got the point and respected it. Sth that this last reblog managed to missed:
“Also, they had PLANNED for it to be final the first time until at test
screenings people didn’t buy it. Not because people were fans of loki
and begged for more of him at them, but because people didn’t think it
was real. Marvel went into those screenings thinking they had done a
good job at completing lokis character. If a retcon isnt planned they
probably think they did a good job this time too.”That is exactly my point. People didn’t buy it in TDW because Loki was a complicated, powerful and intelligent character and they knew as long as Loki stay like that, no one ever going to buy his death. So they did retcon everything about him, in a movie that came out four years after the last one which make people forget a lot of things. Joke’s on them since a lot of people still don’t believe it.
It also amazes me in a post with detailed explanation of Loki’s characteristics which none of them is about Loki being “emo dark broody”, someone manages to get this non-existence meaning:
“But you wanna be mad about loki not being as emo dark broody? Especially
when yall want him to have some happy in his life? Okay.”You know there is a complete difference between this and having real and just grievances that need to be addressed, right?
And thank you so much for pointing out that we are “way too invested in characters and storylines”! People don’t have the same level of passion about things and they don’t have to and it’s not anyone’s place to tell them how much they should/shouldn’t feel/think about it. And when I see the storyteller don’t give a damn about their own canon stroylines and inconsistency and characterization and it’s all about money now, I will call them out on their BS and people have every right to do so.
I don’t have to accept it or be OK with it.
LOL. Loki is not that complicated. He is Scar who didn’t kill Mufasa. Yes, he is relatable to a degree. But people who have gone through similar stuff to what he has don’t just get to kill people because of their real and just grievances and keep being interesting and complex people they are just murderers. He is a character so he can be forgiven for intrigue but he’s not someone you’d be thrilled with, even knowing his history, if he was real and came to kill 83 people then who knows how many more when he let the aliens the fuck through. Not to mention stabbing his brother because how dare you stop me from taking out my feelings on innocent people due to my real and just greaviences. The only people who’d be into him are the types who write to serial killers in prison. He is not the epitome of character depth or development. He is far from the first character like this and wont be the last. His story has been repeated again and again since Shakepeares Hamlet in god damn 1603 with minor diffrences in each adaptation. Hiddleston’s acting is what sells the character the most. And if he looked like a young danny devito I wonder how complex and interesting people would still think he is. People didn’t buy the death because it was all of a sudden he’s helping! Then… dying? Wut? It just didn’t work. It was rushed and didn’t feel like a genuine ending for the character. It wasn’t omg this complex intelligent powerful character from hamlet in 1603 no way how dare we dont believe. It felt like they intended to keep him alive all along before they revealed it. They didnt change him to make people buy it LMFAO no one fucking buys it still because this death was dumb as fucking shit too. Where the damn hell have you been they changed him so people would buy it LMFAO. Marvel is just fuck all bad at endings. That’s it. Khaleesi it is known. Just… wow. You missed the damn point of my replies susan and I bet you’re gonna miss them again and send me song long ass mark Gattis level dodgy bullshit. I guess I’m just dumb af though even though I’m not the one tagging shit gagnarock -and calling out people who arent on this site to even read it and would probably laugh if they did read it because they dgaf what you think- and tried to offer my insight on the matter since this site is a kinda open dialogue sort of place ya know and this post showed up in a tag I follow. But yeah fuck me for having an opinion. And it’s not anyone’s place? Where the fuck in the law is that? I can think your opinion is wrong and tell you that all I want. But oooo respect. Also not law. Ooo but my opinion is that you being this way makes you a bad mean person. Cool I guess. Not fact. And back to a past point, this has happened in the mcu since the early days to characters before Loki. It’s not a surprise. They werent, and aren’t, gonna give anyone a satisfying development or ending. A surprise was sherlock series 4 and the hate toward the fans from the writers who were mad that the fans hated it, who included digs at the fans and their theroies in the episodes because they hated them so much. Be mad susan. or just watch the lion king or read hamlet or google all the other past lokis that may have gotten full closure and picture them as tom hiddleston dressed up as Loki. Who again disagrees with your opinions. As does chris. And Ruffalo. I may also just block you if you reply without reading fyi because I’m done having fun with this. If you send hate I’ll make a new blog lol. I mostly lurk so whatever. The reblogs people have made of mine will still exist 🤷♀️. Have fun in the pissed off about an adaptation of hamlet fandom susan.
Omg wait I FORGOT. have you guys seen full metal panic? It was serious with some comedy, then had a comedy fluff season, then went back to serious with even less comedy. Stuff like that can happen you know. Thats just one example too. Or they could hybrid it to please both sides. Lots of people want more thor or a revengers series now. Ragnarok saved thor for most fans and it has a chance at getting more content now. Maybe they will surprise you since thor is so much more popular now. Maybe Ragnarok is a god send and you’re jumping the gun. I want a hybrid of thor 1 & 2 + Ragnarok personally. I think thatd fly with most people.
Wow! Congratulations! You are the first person I’m going to block in the fandom! And it’s not even about your absurd opinions. I don’t block people over it. It’s because the level of your disrespect and rudeness is intolerable. Even the trolls I encountered were more polite which is saying sth about you. I would never stoop to your level and send hate to anyone. This is going to be here for my followers because most of them share the same opinions as me and no one deserves to receive this kind of attitude.
The level of eloquence and depth of thought here is, er, astonishing.
“Let’s not ask for any kind of character coherence in popular art, because it’s just popular. It’s not Hamlet. Did I mention it’s not Hamlet? And you should have the exact same feelings about a fictional villain as about real-life serial killers because fiction is identical to reality. Except you shouldn’t care about fiction. Why am I on a fandom site again? Also I’m completely certain Tom Hiddleston is happy about things because I’m really good at interpreting people’s body language and facial expressions. Hamlet was also really happy about how his story ended.”
Oh good Lord, now they’ve changed their URL to “pissedathamletsince1603.” I see they came up with one bizarre comparison that they thought was so incredibly clever they felt compelled to keep repeating it. That and the fact that Hamlet was published in 1603. I guess because knowing a historical date makes you look smart… unless you keep repeating the same one, which arouses the suspicion that it’s the only one you know.
It’s kind of difficult to extract a coherent point, but now I’m starting to think that they’re saying Loki *is* Hamlet and Hamlet is overrated. Does anyone speak word-vomit?
Loki is the Philosopher King 