juliabohemian:

lokiloveforever:

That whole “you’ll always be the god of mischief but you could be more” speech that Thor gives Loki bugs me, because Loki is, and always has been, more than “just” the god of mischief. Who do the writers/director think they’re trying to convince of that? Us? This is something we already knew. Loki? Even Loki himself knows he is more than that, he’s spent all his life trying to prove it to Odin and Thor. And they shut him down at every pass. Oh, but those times were imagined slights.

THOR 1: “Hey Loki, you’re a piece of shit!”

AVENGERS: “Hey Loki, you’re a piece of shit!”

THOR 2: “Hey Loki, you’re a piece of shit!”

THOR 3: “You know what your problem is, Loki? You think you’re a piece of shit. But you could be more…”

It’s not noble to rescue someone from the peril you inflicted on them. Nor is it noble to disabuse someone of a notion that you yourself instilled. 

I went into Ragnarok thinking “this is it…this will be the movie where Thor finally acknowledges that Loki’s pain is real and tries to reach some kind of understanding with him.” But Thor doesn’t want to understand. He only wants to be understood. That was the case even before Ragnarok. But in Ragnarok it was so much worse. 

I really thought that Loki would find a way to let Thor know about what happened to him after he fell from the Bifrost. Which, to me, is an enormous plot hole. Thor seeing Loki show up on Earth after he’s presumed dead, and not feeling even slightly compelled to investigate is a giant plot hole. But they needed Loki to be a villain in that movie. So they just had him do villain-y things, because reasons.

Ragnarok tried to re-establish Loki as this hedonistic troublemaker who sits around, drinking his problems away. Which is amusing if you consider that Loki literally held Asgard together for several years while his brother, who had yet to actually spend any time ruling, ran around the cosmos doing who knows what. But we are to believe that Loki is this inept, immoral imp who cares about nothing and no one. When in actuality he is quite capable. The whole thing makes me ill. I look forward to the point when I stop caring about it tbh.

Really, it’s more “you are a piece of shit” again in TR rather than “you think you’re a piece of shit.” Or perhaps more precisely, “you rest content with being a piece of shit.”

There’s a peculiar kind of sadism in Ragnarok’s repeated insistence that being a trickster is just “in Loki’s nature,” that that’s who he fundamentally is (ignoring previous canon, of course), and then Thor*’s demand that Loki just stop being “the god of mischief” and become someone else. If that’s really his nature, it should be impossible, or else Thor* is ordering him not to be himself anymore… which is a horrible thing to demand of someone you supposedly love.

P.S. I can understand why Loki in “The Avengers” would feel like he needs to prevent Thor from finding out what happened, and I can also kind of understand Thor post-Avengers being too pissed to want to talk to Loki – though it’s far from admirable. But not asking Loki why he pretended to be dead, exiled Odin, and took the throne is an incredibly glaring omission in TR… though it makes sense from an external (or “Doylist”) standpoint if you regard it as part of the campaign to rewrite Loki as this capricious trickster. If that’s the case, Thor doesn’t even need to ask why; it’s for the same reason he does anything: because he’s a trickster and he just couldn’t help himself.