from what I remember thors flashback as a kid he never talked about killing all of the frost giants but that he would beat them back so they wanted never came back which implys basically that they retreated and would never threaten asgard again not genocide

loki-god-of-menace:

[…. “When I’m king, I’ll hunt the monsters down and slay them all. Just as you did, father.” Child!Thor in Thor 2011, starting 6 minutes and 51 secs and ending at 6 minutes and 59 seconds.

And later, as an adult, “Father! We’ll finish them together!” Adult!Thor in Thor 2011 at 26 minutes and 19 seconds.

It is true that Thor also spoke of ‘breaking the Jotuns spirits’ so they would ‘never dare threaten’ Asgard again, but that does not sound too pleasant either, does it?

So, I am afraid your memory isn’t quite on point with this. So yes, Thor was on a similar tract with Hela, but in a different fashion driven more by hubris and power and arrogance, and he did think wiping out all the Jotun was just A okay. So it isn’t much wonder A. Loki felt he was a monster when he discovered he was the same race that his brother literally wanted to slaughter and B. he did not think wiping them out was much of a problem either.]

Apparently people are trying to say that we shouldn’t take what Child!Thor says seriously because he’s changed between that scene and when we see him again as a young man… a few seconds later in movie time. That argument makes no damn sense because the entire point of that scene with Thor and Loki as children is to establish (1) the way Odin fosters competition between them and (2) the basic character traits and dynamic that will continue into their adulthood. And that is, in fact, what we see: Thor remains outspoken and belligerent; Loki follows his lead, but is more hesitant and reserved, and seems always to be playing catch-up. It would be pointless and misleading to introduce them as kids if they’re going to be importantly different at the age when most of the movie takes place.

Also, how does “Father! We’ll finish them together!” NOT sound like suggesting genocide?

P.S. I want to make clear that I do not hate Thor and I do not think he is morally worse than Loki. I do think we should acknowledge that he has done some things that are comparable in severity to Loki’s worst crimes. If we are good readers, we will not take this to be a problem; Thor 1 makes it pretty clear, for those who are paying attention, that its hero is flawed and its villain is sympathetic. What makes Thor the “hero” and Loki the “villain” is primarily the direction of their change: Thor improves while Loki deteriorates. The fact that we’re watching Thor’s ascent makes him functionally the protagonist, and the fact that Loki ends up in conflict with Thor as they try to achieve their respective goals makes him functionally the antagonist. Wherever people got the idea that “hero/protagonist” necessarily means “morally blameless” while “villain/antagonist” necessarily means “morally worthless,” they need to drop that right now. (Although interestingly, I haven’t seen people have as much of a problem with this regarding Black Panther… which might just be because I’m not in a fandom specific to that movie, just indirectly through the MCU, so I see a lot less commentary on it in general.)