fuckyeahrichardiii replied to your post “You know, it wasn’t until I was talking to someone in person about…”

I’ve gotten madder and madder about Ragnarok the farther out from it I get. My sense now is that TW didn’t really have much affection, if any, for ANY of the characters (except for the GM, which I can’t even talk about without flying into a rage). They were all at best caricatures of what they were in earlier movies. But this is especially true with Loki. He became a kind of joke. Ugh.

THANK YOU, @fuckyeahrichardiii. And to be clear, I don’t mind the slapstick humor involving Loki (though as noted elsewhere, I’m uneasy about the electrocution scene), and I recognize that everyone undergoes similar physical treatment. The problem is that his motivations are completely dismissed; he gets turned into some kind of Trumpian narcissist, retroactively erasing all the humanizing characterization he was given in the first two movies (and even The Avengers!).

And then there’s Thor, who bore virtually no resemblance to his character in any of the earlier movies. Neither TW nor CH seemed to care about the integrity of the character; they were just indulging their own sense of humor at the expense of the coherence of the character and his arc through the franchise. Ironically, I don’t think they made him any more interesting or likable than he had been before. They turned him into an inarticulate, mostly bumbling but occasionally cunning buffoon.

Yeah, there were parts of the movie I enjoyed. Valkyrie was great. Heimdall was badass. Hela was kind of cool, Skurge kind of endearing. Some of the bonding moments between Thor and Loki were nice; as a fan/shipper, I cling to those. But on the whole, the movie was a betrayal of everything that came before it.